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Old 01-28-2016, 04:51 AM
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How very much he has changed Russia.

The majority of the room now stands for "God Save the Tsar."

The government have asked the Grand Duchess Maria Vladimirovna to move to Russia to undertake social duties.
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He was publicly criticizing Lenin recently too, wasn't he?
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composer looks like stalin
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Can he run for VP under Trump?
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Czar/Tsar Putin?
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Putin trying to take it back old school.

Seems as if Russia allows no more than two consecutive Presidential terms, 6 years each. But unlike the United States, no term limits.
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Czar/Tsar Putin?
If he wanted to be the dictator himself, I do not believe he would be trying to get members of the imperial family to come back.

He's volunteering to put them on the state payroll to perform certain functionary duties and ceremonies.
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Getting them closer for execution.
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Getting them closer for execution.
They have something to be afraid of when it comes to a malleable political situation when Putin is gone.

There have to be constitutional, legal protection for them or they won't be doing it...but negotiations are continuing and the channels are open.

Grand Duchess Maria is a very strong willed person with some territory to protect, and she is not on the very firmest ground with succession law and dynastic rights. She is widely regarded as the head of the imperial family; however, in point of fact Russian law and the Romanov subset of Oldenburg dynastic law prohibits her succession.

So if she wants to be selfish and preserve her position inside her family, she would not want to do what Putin says because at some point people will begin the argument again about how she got to the position she is in, and her position's inherent unlawful nature.
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composer looks like stalin
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They keep Rasputin's dick in a jar.

True story.
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People asked why Putin is doing these things, since it would tend to compromise his absolute authority.

People have also asked why the Russian royal family keep turning him down.

Well....

I think that there's a very, very good chance that Putin's Russia is heading for disaster.

Crimea has turned out to be a huge money drain, and so has the involvement in Ukraine. There's no way to link Crimea to rebel Donbas areas, or to Russia, unless the Russian regular military becomes actively involved. Every time they've tried a drive with rebel forces to join Crimea with Eastern Ukraine/Donbas, it has failed miserably and too many Russians have lost their lives.

In addition, it has turned out that when they're cut off from Kievan support, Donbas Region and Crimea are very far from self sufficient, and they require huge sums of support from Moscow to stay afloat. Pensioners are up in arms (figuratively) because Kiev has stopped supplying their Ukrainian retirement pay and government pay.

Attempting to refocus the Russian people on the Syrian intervention has also cost huge sums of money and risked a great patriot conflict with Turkey. Putin knew it'd cost a lot of money in the beginning, but his conflict with Turkey hasn't worked out perfectly, and he underestimated the resolve of Washington and London when it came to support for rebel groups and the Kurds (although of course the Kurds view it differently).

He is finding that in order to do what he really needs to do in Syria to make the Russian position victorious, he has to risk an armed conflict with Turkey. There's no way to subordinate completely the Turkmen insurgency without occasionally crossing into Turkish airspace, and he cannot seem to get the US and UK on board with pressuring Turkey to lay off support of the "wrong" rebels.

On top of all of this, the Russian economy is collapsing because these projects all began at a time that the technology involved with getting Russian oil and gas out of Russia in an effective way coincided with the downward manipulation of all carbon energy products.

He's not bringing in anywhere near the revenues he needs to support the Russian economy. Russia is barely able to sustain its retirement payments to its own citizens...never mind developing industry and technology.

He's finding that Russian oligarchs are becoming impatient with how much money they're losing over the effective manipulation of carbon energy exports by the Old Lady of Threadneedle Street and her allies around the globe.

If you wanted to say that the Russian economy was in free fall, you'd have a good argument behind you.

Under these conditions, Putin's construction of a vertical, autocratic power structure is backfiring on him, and regional authorities are beginning to act like him, thwarting the central authority rather effectively. Regional and local corruption among governments is rampant, and even if they wanted to control regional and local organized crime, they're not doing it.

Putin is going to be forced to draw even more heavily on ultra-patriotic, ethno-centrist, historical, royalist, and even Fascist groups to maintain his legitimacy. But in doing this he is having to ally himself with pseudo-patriotic, crypto-absolutist forces who are behaving in a self serving fashion, and I'm afraid that Putin might very well become the victim of his own cult of personality, just as Mao fell to his and Stalin fell to his.

This kind of autocratic mythology cannot be sustained.

The danger to all of us is that as the Russian system continues to collapse, he will strike out violently against the rest of the world in a desperate attempt to maintain control over a dwindling and increasingly impotent Russian empire.

We have to recognize that this is a danger, and formulate a pre-emptive plan in order to avoid the kind of collapse that will cause him to strike out.
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Entering the phase that takes particular courage.

For the first time, the Patriarch of Moscow has prayed in public for "the Grand Duke George Mikhailovich," the son of Maria Vladimirovna.

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People asked why Trump is doing these things, since it would tend to compromise his absolute authority.

People have also asked why the Neocon establishment keep turning him down.

Well....

I think that there's a very, very good chance that Trump's America heading for disaster.

Playing world police has turned out to be a huge money drain, and so has the involvement in Syria. Every time they've tried a drive with moderate rebel forces who behead children and gas civilians to oust Assad, it has failed miserably and too many ISIS have lost their lives.

In addition, it has turned out that when they're cut off from Saudi support, Texas and the North Central states are very far from self sufficient, and they require huge sums of support from DC to stay afloat. Pensioners are up in arms (figuratively) because some towns and cities are on the virge of bankruptcy and the stock market is seeing one of the biggest bubbles in history.

Attempting to refocus the American people on the ISIS intervention has also cost huge sums of money and risked a great patriot conflict with Russia. DC knew it'd cost a lot of money in the beginning, but his CIA dealings with Assad and Erdogan hasn't worked out perfectly, and he underestimated the resolve of Moscow when it came to support for rebel groups and the Kurds (although of course the Kurds view it differently).

He is finding that in order to do what he really needs to do in Syria to make the American position victorious, he has to risk an armed conflict with Russia. There's no way to subvert completely the Russian/Syrian pipeline without occasionally crossing into Su-occupied airspace, and he cannot seem to get the Russia on board with pressuring Turkey to lay off support of the "wrong" rebels.

On top of all of this, the American economy is collapsing because these empire projects all began at a time that the technology involved with getting American oil and gas out of America in an effective way coincided with the downward manipulation of automobile fuel consumption.

He's not bringing in anywhere near the revenues he needs to support the American economy with budget deficit rapidly approaching 1:1 with GDP. America is barely able to sustain its retirement payments to its own citizens...never mind developing industry and technology.

He's finding that Corporatists and cronies are becoming impatient with how much money they're losing over the effective manipulation of tranches and QE by Wall St. and the FED and her allies around the globe.

If you wanted to say that the American economy was either in a coma or about to crash, you'd have a good argument behind you. Obama is about to become the first president in the history of the country to not see a single year in which economic growth reached 3%.

Under these conditions, Obama's construction of a horizontal, autocratic power structure is backfiring on him, and regional and local corruption among governments and special interests/corporations is rampant, and even if they wanted to control regional and local organized crime, they're not doing it.

The GOP is going to be forced to draw even more heavily on ultra-patriotic, ethno-centrist, historical, royalist, and even Fascist groups to maintain its legitimacy. But in doing this he is having to ally himself with pseudo-patriotic, crypto-absolutist candidates who are behaving in a self serving fashion, and I'm afraid that Trump might very well become the victim of his own cult of personality, just as Mao fell to his and Stalin fell to his.

This kind of autocratic constitution-trampling cannot be sustained.

The danger to all of us is that as the Western debt bubble continues to rapidly grow, they will strike out violently against the rest of the world in a desperate attempt to maintain control over a dwindling and increasingly impotent Western empire.

We have to recognize that this is a danger, and formulate a pre-emptive plan in order to avoid the kind of collapse that will cause us to strike out. This starts with keeping Ms. "We came, we saw, innocent people died" out of the white house
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Its likely all bullshit.
I know, I know. You need a meme. Maybe one of your alt right buddies will translate for you in crayon.

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2LEM1 killing it with the Putin memes!

Uncle Ben's failing with continued attempts to put America on the same level as depressing corrupt shithole countries.

@GK what is this Maria person doing now?
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It's sort of entertaining to watch a man who's manipulated russian elections so that he will remain in power for the rest of his life, criticize american democracy. I think it would be better off if GK was criticizing than putin.
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P-sure he doesn't need to manipulate the elections to stay in office.
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