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Old 03-13-2019, 01:20 PM
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Not with their cushy DOD contracts and the current acting SecDef was a Boeing exec.

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Here is an image from the flight data recorder retrieved from the Lion Air 737 Max 8 crash





The interesting part is this one:
You can see the pilot's nose UP inputs (blue) and the corresponding software's nose DOWN inputs (orange). We all know who won that tug of war. I would not be surprised to see that same scenario on the latest crash.

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Even after Trumps announcement BA is holding $370 support.

Still got a chance peeps


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Even after Trumps announcement BA is holding $370 support.

Still got a chance peeps
What the hell is wrong with you?

We are talking about saving lives.

You have no “peeps” here.
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What the hell is wrong with you?

We are talking about saving lives.

You have no “peeps” here.
No one in this thread has any say on what is going to happen with Boeing or the FAA. I am still on the tooic that was discussed when the thread was created. Boeing is not going under over this.
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No one in this thread has any say on what is going to happen with Boeing or the FAA. I am still on the tooic that was discussed when the thread was created. Boeing is not going under over this.
Why dont you keep that in the "how did the market do today" thread since no one gives a **** about Boeing stock right now?
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Why dont you keep that in the "how did the market do today" thread since no one gives a **** about Boeing stock right now?
I didnt bring up the stock, just replied to the statements, but it is a fair assessment TBH. I can respect that.
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Why dont you keep that in the "how did the market do today" thread since no one gives a **** about Boeing stock right now?
$$$$$ is the O N L Y thing that matters to him.

Well and trolling.

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$$$$$ is the O N L Y thing that matters to him.

Well and trolling.
Tragedies happen all the time that can cause stock prices to plummet. The people who are smart enough to play the market and profit aren't the ones that caused it to happen.

The topic of this thread is about Boeing in general, and how their business is affected by these events is totally relevant.

So stop looking for stuff to whine and complain about.
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Tragedies happen all the time that can cause stock prices to plummet. The people who are smart enough to play the market and profit aren't the ones that caused it to happen.

The topic of this thread is about Boeing in general, and how their business is affected by these events is totally relevant.

So stop looking for stuff to whine and complain about.
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Tragedies happen all the time that can cause stock prices to plummet. The people who are smart enough to play the market and profit aren't the ones that caused it to happen.

The topic of this thread is about Boeing in general, and how their business is affected by these events is totally relevant.

So stop looking for stuff to whine and complain about.
Back at cha, imagine being able to ignore something. *winks in spanish*
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Tragedies happen all the time that can cause stock prices to plummet. The people who are smart enough to play the market and profit aren't the ones that caused it to happen.

The topic of this thread is about Boeing in general, and how their business is affected by these events is totally relevant.

So stop looking for stuff to whine and complain about.
"Guys, if there weren't people to profit off of tragedy, would IBM be the global player it is today!?!?"

https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine...rtners/303146/
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Tragedies happen all the time that can cause stock prices to plummet. The people who are smart enough to play the market and profit aren't the ones that caused it to happen.

The topic of this thread is about Boeing in general, and how their business is affected by these events is totally relevant.

So stop looking for stuff to whine and complain about.
Not the thread for it though.
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Not the thread for it though.
Okay, even though that's been about half of the discussion since the 1st page...


But no worries. We'll censor all that talk out now because hurt feels
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Piece Found at Boeing 737 Crash Site Shows Jet Was Set to Dive

A screw-like device found in the wreckage of the Boeing Co.737 Max 8 that crashed Sunday in Ethiopia has provided investigators with an early clue into what happened, as work begins in France to decode the black boxes recovered from the scene.

The so-called jackscrew, used to set the trim that raises and lowers the plane’s nose, indicates the jet was configured to dive, based on a preliminary review, according to a person familiar with the investigation. The evidence helped persuade U.S. regulators to ground the model, said the person, who requested anonymity to discuss the inquiry.

France’s aviation safety agency BEA received the cockpit voice and data recorders on Thursday for decoding, while investigators on the scene near Addis Ababa continue to sift through the plane’s wreckage. The second crash in five months has thrown Boeing into a crisis, sending the shares plunging and raising questions about the future of its best-selling jet.

Separately, the New York Times reported that doomed Ethiopian Airlines Flight 302 to Nairobi was in trouble almost immediately after takeoff as it lurched up and down by hundreds of feet at a time. The captain asked in a panicky voice to turn back only three minutes into the flight as the plane accelerated to abnormal speeds, the newspaper reported, citing a person who reviewed the jet’s air traffic communications.

"Break break, request back to home," he told air traffic controllers as they scrambled to divert two other flights approaching the airport. The aircraft had accelerated far beyond what is considered standard practice. All contact between air controllers and the aircraft was lost five minutes after it took off, the report said.

Read: Black Box Politics: How National Pride Intrudes on Crash Probes

Federal Aviation Administration chief Daniel Elwell on Wednesday cited unspecified evidence found at the crash scene as part of the justification for the agency to reverse course and temporarily halt flights of Boeing’s largest selling aircraft. Up until then, American regulators had held off even as nation after nation had grounded the model.

Boeing shares have lost 12 percent, or $28 billion in market value, since Ethiopian flight 302 went down on March 10. The shares were trading at $372.20 in early U.S. trading Friday, little changed from Thursday’s close.

Read more: Chart on Boeing’s drop in market value

The jackscrew, combined with a newly obtained satellite flight track of the plane, convinced the FAA that there were similarities to the Oct. 29 crash of the same Max model off the coast of Indonesia. In the earlier accident, a safety feature on the Boeing aircraft was repeatedly trying to put the plane into a dive as a result of a malfunction.

Read More: Black Box Politics: How National Pride Intrudes on Crash Probes

All 157 people aboard died after the plane crashed near Addis Ababa, Ethiopia’s capital. The jet’s flight recorders are in France, where they are being analyzed at the BEA’s laboratories. The agency posted a photo of the mangled hardware and has yet to comment on any progress on getting the data. “The investigation process has started in Paris,” Ethiopian Airlines said in a Twitter post on Friday.
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in the aftermath of the tragedy, many Western media outlets reported the news with unevenly rationed compassion. Some stoked unfounded suspicions about the caliber of the airline itself. Others stripped their reporting of emphasis on Africa almost entirely, framing the tragedy chiefly in terms of its impact on non-African passengers and organizations.Read: Which deaths matter?On a broadcast of the Turkish channel TRTWorld, for example, the British anchor Maria Ramos asserted that Ethiopian Airlines had a “poor safety record historically,” a baseless claim that the British aviation analyst Alex Macheras challenged on air, even after Ramos suggested that a 1996 hijacking attempt made the African airline categorically unsafe. (Macheras also contextualized Ethiopian Airlines’ record, by comparing it to that of American and European carriers such as United Airlines, Air France, and American Airlines.) On Twitter, the Financial Times’ East Africa–based reporter pondered in a now-deleted tweet whether “questions may well be asked about the pace of the carrier’s rapid expansion since 2010,” despite acknowledging that the reasons for the crash remained unknown.
Elsewhere, Western publications engaged in selective reporting about the deceased. The Washington Post, for example, led its homepage coverage Sunday with a headline that informed readers only that “Eight Americans among 157 people killed in Ethiopian Airlines crash.” (The Washington metropolitan area has the largest population of Ethiopian descent outside the country itself.) In a tweet about the national background of the deceased, the Associated Press listed eight nations affected by the crash. Not one of the countries mentioned in the AP’s list is populated by black Africans. This, despite the fact that Kenya topped the list of the deceased, with 32, and nine Ethiopians were on board. On CNN and BBC News, the presence of American and British nationals respectively is what drew narrative prominence. (In a brutal irony, the Nigerian writer Pius Adesanmi, author of You’re Not a Country, Africa, was among those on the flight.)
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Boeing is on the verge of a software and firmware upgrade for the 737 Max 8 and 9 that is supposed to mitigate the problem that causes air crews to have to fight the plane.

This is becoming public information, and Boeing at some point is going to have to admit that they made a few mistakes with how this was handled.

The FAA relies on Boeing to tell them truthfully the answers to a number of questions. Especially with the Trump administration in office, there are not enough FAA technicians and investigators to handle this unilaterally. If Boeing says that something works right, I'm afraid the FAA takes Boeing's word for it.

Boeing's in for some trouble ahead.

I suspect that the US government are not going to protect Boeing because the problem is coming to light in ongoing leaks showing that the air crews of two flights had to fight hard with their own aircraft to try to keep it in the air.

The Trump administration is going to protect itself, and Boeing might very well be left by itself without its usual governmental support.
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Boeing is on the verge of a software and firmware upgrade for the 737 Max 8 and 9 that is supposed to mitigate the problem that causes air crews to have to fight the plane.

This is becoming public information, and Boeing at some point is going to have to admit that they made a few mistakes with how this was handled.

The FAA relies on Boeing to tell them truthfully the answers to a number of questions. Especially with the Trump administration in office, there are not enough FAA technicians and investigators to handle this unilaterally. If Boeing says that something works right, I'm afraid the FAA takes Boeing's word for it.

Boeing's in for some trouble ahead.

I suspect that the US government are not going to protect Boeing because the problem is coming to light in ongoing leaks showing that the air crews of two flights had to fight hard with their own aircraft to try to keep it in the air.

The Trump administration is going to protect itself, and Boeing might very well be left by itself without its usual governmental support.
This might be a good thing long term. If Boeing messed up and tried to lie about it then they should go down.
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I wonder how the system architects and programmers are sleeping.
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This might be a good thing long term. If Boeing messed up and tried to lie about it then they should go down.
I think that somebody at Boeing might have lied to the FAA and to the White House.
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I think that somebody at Boeing might have lied to the FAA and to the White House.
Considering how the documentation works for aviation, there will be a trail.

Project manager to FAA "It works great, we're just working the final details...Here are the 1000's of pages of test reports." Project manager to Engineers "Get this **** working now...find a way to roll out a patch." Plane crash.
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