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Old 03-12-2019, 05:26 PM
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Tldr says to "tone down the fox like rhetoric" then posts an article from Politico... nice. Look, let's agree to disagree and revisit this when the verdict is in, less we get all huffy and puffy for no reason.
Politico has much, much less bias than Fox News & never resorts to FN levels of hyperbole.

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I bet they dont get the MCAS feature in the 737 max simulator which is where all pilots train and are checked out before flying real passengers for the first time.
A real pilot's input is appreeshed.
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Old 03-12-2019, 05:39 PM
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Politico has much, much less bias than Fox News & never resorts to FN levels of hyperbole.



A real pilot's input is appreeshed.
thought you blocked me lmao, ye of little follow through, that explains a whole lot.

...that being said, I respect his opinion, but neither of us are airline pilots, so I still defer to my friend.

As I'd mentioned before, I'll not say anything else, the truth will come out sooner or later, and I'll either be eating crow, or force feeding it to the two of you

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I'm just here hoping boeing stock dives to $225 so I can make some $$$
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I'm just here hoping boeing stock dives to $225 so I can make some $$$
$225??? That would be pretty nice. After my puts expire though.
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$225??? That would be pretty nice. After my puts expire though.


I'm not a heartless bastard btw, RIP to my Ethiopian brothers and sister
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I'm just here hoping boeing stock dives to $225 so I can make some $$$
$225 seems extremely unlikely IMO.
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$225 seems extremely unlikely IMO.
lol, ok buddy. Ever heard of a flash crash. Lehman brothers. They'll lie to you and say "oh don't worry were doing great". Then you're the last to get the bad news
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Old 03-12-2019, 07:03 PM
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lol, ok buddy. Ever heard of a flash crash. Lehman brothers. They'll lie to you and say "oh don't worry were doing great". Then you're the last to get the bad news
Ok, let's set a time frame (a reasonable one) in which you think BA hits $225 a share and we'll make a bet.
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Old 03-12-2019, 07:24 PM
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The Impending Second Great Recession.....of Boeing Stock Prices.
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Le Chiffre up in here.
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I bet they dont get the MCAS feature in the 737 max simulator which is where all pilots train and are checked out before flying real passengers for the first time.
Except when Boeing markets the plane as not needing any sim training for pilots rated on the NG. Then you get the FAA and EASA to buy off on that and bury MCAS on list of changes and mark it as insignificant. Then you probably donít get any sim training.

Boeingís initial response to airlines is to run the memory checklist for runaway stab trim except that MCAS doesnít behave like runaway stab trim. I donít believe Boeing is fully to blame, especially for lion air, but the way the max was marketed and the way MCAS was certified does raise some questions.

Who designs a flight control failsafe to enable based off just 2 inputs anyway? Even airbus has 3 inputs and a voting system. Itís still to early to speculate the cause of the Ethiopian crash. It may be completely unrelated to lion air. Hull loss of 2 brand new planes is not going to help Boeing in the eyes of airline customers and the flying public thatís for sure.
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Originally Posted by Brice.Hayden View Post
I bet they dont get the MCAS feature in the 737 max simulator which is where all pilots train and are checked out before flying real passengers for the first time.
I bet the pilots are probably running their own transfer equations

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Does Ave have any aviation experience
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Ok, let's set a time frame (a reasonable one) in which you think BA hits $225 a share and we'll make a bet.
um, no.
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Old 03-13-2019, 05:58 AM
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Seems like a lot of people are trying to pull the blame away from Boeing, and I understand that. I've designed equipment where, if a failure occurred due to improper maintenance, not following instructions, etc. then yeah, absolutely I would tend to place blame on the customer.

But in this scenario I don't think it's that simple. Not when hundreds of lives are at stake. You design the system so that, if proper maintenance is not carried out, it will not operate at all. You cannot simply rely on human error (or lack thereof) when lives are on the line.

Same goes for not following the procedure to override the system as needed. Any way you cut it, the plane should not allow this to happen.
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Old 03-13-2019, 07:18 AM
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Also one has to ask what altitude they were at when things went wrong or was the pilot fighting the aircraft the whole time?
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Old 03-13-2019, 07:43 AM
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um, no.
But you were telling us BA can crash like Lehman did, why the sudden change of heart?
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Old 03-13-2019, 07:47 AM
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I wonder if there is any point in *not* having grounded these planes, since you can't go anywhere with them except inside the United States.

They're grounded everywhere that Americans would be likely to want to go.

Watching how the bans were enacted was interesting. I noticed that Hong Kong banned the flights separately from China's ban.

People are telling me that Ethiopian has a very good reputation in the industry, and because of what I am hearing I tend to doubt that there is a training issue. It might turn out otherwise, but I doubt it.

I hope the investigations hurry along because it would be a huge shame if we find out later that the FAA should have banned them, and they did not.
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I think he said that he does not.

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Also one has to ask what altitude they were at when things went wrong or was the pilot fighting the aircraft the whole time?
The airport sits just above 7000 feet and they reached a little over 8000 feet so they had about 1000 feet of altitude gained? Or was it 8000 above 7000?
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Yeah this is going to affect all aircaft with MACS until they can figure out a solution.
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Old 03-13-2019, 08:46 AM
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Don't worry boys the issue is clearly these THIRD WORLD PILOTS and not the guys at Boeing getting something wrong.
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