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Old 12-27-2018, 06:25 AM
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We've had it for a while but it was more software defined previously.
You must be talking about something like Digits.

I use Digits for one of my numbers.

So I've got one number mirroring through Digits, one physical SIM, and one eSIM active.

It works okay. But the application mirror is the the only one that's buggy. And the biggest problem is that the device mirrored by Digits must be powered on, wherever you've left it. A Digits line is just mirroring what's happening with a phone number, while the physical SIM and eSIM are actual cellular plans with independent data.
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Old 12-27-2018, 07:11 AM
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I personally don't trust big data companies with their enterprise stuff co existing in a BYOD.
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Old 12-27-2018, 08:46 AM
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I personally don't trust big data companies with their enterprise stuff co existing in a BYOD.
I see.

Do you use Google Maps or Alexa?

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I use both

I`ve had peers in production environments who were dismissed citing "overabundance of personal activity" in a shared device (and among other things). I honestly did not feel "watched" when I was one of the first to trial it but I wouldn`t be surprised today given the desperate state of telcos to downsize significantly.
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Old 01-10-2019, 07:40 AM
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A bug has surfaced and Apple is working on it.

If you are streaming media from our eSIM cellular plan, your physical SIM cellular plan might rescan and end up temporarily on the same band as your eSIM.

This will interrupt the data stream for a few seconds while the streaming application and iOS work to get around it. The delay can be as much as 15 s.

The workaround is to turn off LTE altogether on your physical SIM when you do not need it, or turn off that cellular plan when you are not using it, but clearly this will not be a solution for everybody.

The problem still exists with 12.1.3 b3.
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Old 01-10-2019, 11:03 AM
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I see.

Do you use Google Maps or Alexa?

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I too dont like having my corporate and private devices as one in the same.

GK, How would using Maps have any bearing on this? I've never used Alexa, Siri, or anything else like them but I'm curious where you are drawing the connection here..
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Location services. While you are able to opt out of data collection through the app settings, what most do not realize is that there are other apps (google included) that collect stuff like cell tower data and send them via your phone`s push notifications. This is vaguely covered in Google`s TOS for Maps as as example.

We can kick the can further down by saying that while we can opt out where possible at the app or phone level, there`s always that one entity in the transmission stream that is collecting data (carriers). There is no delineation whether you deem this data invaluable or not. All data is pot of gold to them. Unfortunately, how much of it - we do not know until another whistleblower comes around.
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Well yah I get the location services portion. Even if you have a separate device they can still locate you as long as the device is on you. The concern about "overabundance of personal activity" doesnt stem from location services though? Dude was probably on Pornhub 10 times a day burning through data and they were like that's not work-related, most likely anyway...

I would think the concern about keeping your enterprise stuff separate is more in regards to your employer not having access to that info rather than BIG DATA/BROTHER spying on you rubbing one out. Am I wrong?
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It was actually the lack of work activity that led them to believe ***** was doing more on the personal side of the phone. His/her work required a lot of phone usage since the job function requires 75% travel. That made me to think what they actually see beyond the demarcation that warranted letting somebody go.

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What do you or your company consider the "demarcation"? Im just curious how one quantifies justifiable use and where the line is drawn. As you said the job required lots of phone use and travel meaning not always having Wifi ti piggyback off of. Excuse my curiosity but Im in IT and used to manage telecom for a big company and I dont remember being able to distinguish one from the other unless it was egregiously overused. I also understand you weren't part of the situation directly just curious if you know more...

iPhones still suck btw, did I mention that yet? lol Battle Commence!
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Old 01-11-2019, 07:13 AM
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Location services. While you are able to opt out of data collection through the app settings, what most do not realize is that there are other apps (google included) that collect stuff like cell tower data and send them via your phone`s push notifications. This is vaguely covered in Google`s TOS for Maps as as example.

We can kick the can further down by saying that while we can opt out where possible at the app or phone level, there`s always that one entity in the transmission stream that is collecting data (carriers). There is no delineation whether you deem this data invaluable or not. All data is pot of gold to them. Unfortunately, how much of it - we do not know until another whistleblower comes around.
Exactly. Everything Google and Android is just evil.

Maybe not quite as evil as Direct X and Flash, but pretty damned close. :-)
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If it makes you feel any better hadoop loops aren't actual people and there isn't some slope browed mongrel pouring over your **** clicks.
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I would think the concern about keeping your enterprise stuff separate is more in regards to your employer not having access to that info rather than BIG DATA/BROTHER spying on you rubbing one out. Am I wrong?
I think that for most of us, we are less worried about an "employer" being able to locate us. If your employer is all that important, he's going to send somebody after you anyway.

The nice thing about the multi-SIM capabilities of the current generation of iPhones is that you can just turn off one of your cellular plans to have some semblance of a vacation, or private life. I know that if you have primary fiduciary responsibility, or overall authority, you can't really escape, but being able to turn off a particular line is a great boon at times.

Now that I think of it, I have a lot of lines on this iPhone. Couple of eSIM. A physical SIM. A YouMail private number. A T-Mobile Digits number that's neither a physical SIM or an eSIM. The number in Urbanna rings on the iPhone, too. Not really confusing, when you get used to it. :-)

The iPhone's ability to have several cellular plans on eSIM is a power that people should use more, it seems to me. It's better than two physical SIM, like the Hong Kong variant of the XS Max. I think they only did that because of particular Hong Kong rules, not because there was any advantage to it.

A really nice thing about eSIM is that you can get a bucket of data at a remote destination without disabling or having to forward your main cellular plan. In foreign airports, physical SIM is still a lot easier to find than eSIM, so having your main cellular plan remain on eSIM is good.
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Old 01-11-2019, 07:22 AM
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iPhones still suck btw, did I mention that yet? lol Battle Commence!


They'll never be as easy as Android devices. But the ease of Android is what slows it down. Google designs an operating system, and the code is available to everybody. Manufacturers add lines to it to make the version peculiar to them, and even Oxygen is slower than pure Android...but in a way it's nicer even if it is slower.

The fact that Android has to be such a universal design is what makes it slower, and what makes it less secure.

Apple on the other hand designs everything at the same time. All of the hardware is designed for iOS, and iOS is designed for that hardware. They're always going to be inherently speedier and inherently more secure.

I still keep an LG H932 that I play with to be sure I understand Android. I get it. I really do.
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Old 01-11-2019, 07:27 AM
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The Qualcomm 855 will be a serious threat to Apple benchmarks as they exist right now. I think that's the first time that a chip has been available to manufacturers that has a chance of getting close to Apple performance.

But of course by the time most manufacturers are on the 855, Apple will have its A13X or whatever it is.
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Old 01-11-2019, 09:35 AM
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I think that for most of us, we are less worried about an "employer" being able to locate us. If your employer is all that important, he's going to send somebody after you anyway.

The nice thing about the multi-SIM capabilities of the current generation of iPhones is that you can just turn off one of your cellular plans to have some semblance of a vacation, or private life. I know that if you have primary fiduciary responsibility, or overall authority, you can't really escape, but being able to turn off a particular line is a great boon at times.

Now that I think of it, I have a lot of lines on this iPhone. Couple of eSIM. A physical SIM. A YouMail private number. A T-Mobile Digits number that's neither a physical SIM or an eSIM. The number in Urbanna rings on the iPhone, too. Not really confusing, when you get used to it. :-)

The iPhone's ability to have several cellular plans on eSIM is a power that people should use more, it seems to me. It's better than two physical SIM, like the Hong Kong variant of the XS Max. I think they only did that because of particular Hong Kong rules, not because there was any advantage to it.

A really nice thing about eSIM is that you can get a bucket of data at a remote destination without disabling or having to forward your main cellular plan. In foreign airports, physical SIM is still a lot easier to find than eSIM, so having your main cellular plan remain on eSIM is good.
So you are saying that your main reason for wanting the separation in devices is (or now WAS) purely to be able to keep them active at different times when necessary, am I right? When the mentions of personal activity an location monitoring came up I started thinking deeper than I should have I guess. But I think of it as I want to use my plan how I see fit and not give the company any reason to hassle me for overuse. That was my primary reason for keeping the red sea parted as such.

How many eSIMs can you keep on the phone at one time? Are they transferable once used? I like the fact that I can pull my physical SIM and use it in another phone and nobody else is the wiser. Not that I use that feature regularly but when I needed it I really needed it.

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They'll never be as easy as Android devices. But the ease of Android is what slows it down. Google designs an operating system, and the code is available to everybody. Manufacturers add lines to it to make the version peculiar to them, and even Oxygen is slower than pure Android...but in a way it's nicer even if it is slower.

The fact that Android has to be such a universal design is what makes it slower, and what makes it less secure.

Apple on the other hand designs everything at the same time. All of the hardware is designed for iOS, and iOS is designed for that hardware. They're always going to be inherently speedier and inherently more secure.

I still keep an LG H932 that I play with to be sure I understand Android. I get it. I really do.
Thanks GK, I am well aware why and how Apple is able to use outdated hardware and up-charge for it because they can marginally outperform the rest of the crowd doing so. I like my stuff universally accessible and less dumbed down. That's just my own special spin on your message here

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If it makes you feel any better hadoop loops aren't actual people and there isn't some slope browed mongrel pouring over your **** clicks.
Still a **** company though :p
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If it makes you feel any better hadoop loops aren't actual people
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So you are saying that your main reason for wanting the separation in devices is (or now WAS) purely to be able to keep them active at different times when necessary, am I right?
No. But you can talk like that if you want, just for the sake of the discussion.

...not give the company any reason to hassle me....
If they want you, they'll get you. We're talking about levels of control, and having different lives on one device. Change your life without having to change devises, change on the fly.

How many eSIMs can you keep on the phone at one time?
Nobody's said for sure, but I'm aware personally that there is definitely room for five.

Are they transferable once used?
Yes. But it is up to the provider to make it easy for you.

Verizon and AT&T are easy to do. T-Mobile requires human interaction, because it is not officially supported. Sprint is impossible.

I like the fact that I can pull my physical SIM and use it in another phone and nobody else is the wiser.
None the wiser? They know you did it. They have your EID, ICCID and IMEI with no effort at all.

... marginally outperform the rest of the crowd....
If you think it's only a marginal difference then you should just keep doing what you're doing.
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