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Old 06-17-2017, 08:01 AM   #1
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Your opinion, is healthcare a right of the people or is a product to be sold?

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Awesome, I was just thinking there are not enough political threads here!
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Healthcare is insurance...
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Technically healthcare is a service industry. Yes it is our right to have access to healthcare, but not for free. Whether paid for through insurance or tax dollars, it must be paid for.
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Our ideas of why the government exists are changing to mirror the ideas of other parts of the world.

Notably, the United States is the only country of our ilk that does not have universal healthcare.

Of *course* it has to be paid for. The question is...must the government provide it as a part of essential services?

We are the only ones who say no.
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Technically healthcare is a service industry. Yes it is our right to have access to healthcare, but not for free. Whether paid for through insurance or tax dollars, it must be paid for.
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Our ideas of why the government exists are changing to mirror the ideas of other parts of the world.

Notably, the United States is the only country of our ilk that does not have universal healthcare.

Of *course* it has to be paid for. The question is...must the government provide it as a part of essential services?

We are the only ones who say no.
Then lets have Universal Healthcare and have all those countries pay for our defense.
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Healthcare should be universal.

Rico just a smol coward.
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Well considering we lose more money with our current system than if it was universal.
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Well considering we lose more money with our current system than if it was universal.
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Healthcare should be universal.

Rico just a smol coward.
And everyone should have a house...
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Well considering we lose more money with our current system than if it was universal.
We losing money now because this **** was never dealt with in the past, now everything has gotten expensive, clinics markup to ensure they get the max and still take from clients.
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And everyone should have a house...
A safe place to reside? Yes. A house/apartment/etc.? Not necessarily.

And healthcare is very different.
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So we're back to YT vids.

Glad to see you haven't evolved in the slightest Reek.
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Six posts, two youtube vids
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So we're back to YT vids.

Glad to see you haven't evolved in the slightest Reek.
They make my point for me.

It is a service not a right.

If you had any solid argument you could stop those vids out. Just like when I post a bullshit tweet that you guys can easily refute to keep you in the game.


Ever notice how you guys jump all over the easy to refute tweet/vids but cry about vids when you cant counter the argument? Dont worry...I notice.
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A safe place to reside? Yes. A house/apartment/etc.? Not necessarily.

And healthcare is very different.
Safe place to reside...interesting....sounds like that falls into that whole life, liberty, and the persuit of hapiness...
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They make my point for me.

It is a service not a right.

If you had any solid argument you could stop those vids out. Just like when I post a bullshit tweet that you guys can easily refute to keep you in the game.


Ever notice how you guys jump all over the easy to refute tweet/vids but cry about vids when you cant counter the argument? Dont worry...I notice.
I don't watch a single video you post. Never have, never will.

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Safe place to reside...interesting....sounds like that falls into that whole life, liberty, and the persuit of hapiness...
So does health.

hmmm
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So does health.

hmmm
Thats why ACCESS to healthcare is fine. It isnt a RIGHT to have it without compensation.
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Our ideas of why the government exists are changing to mirror the ideas of other parts of the world.

Notably, the United States is the only country of our ilk that does not have universal healthcare.

Of *course* it has to be paid for. The question is...must the government provide it as a part of essential services?

We are the only ones who say no.
Could this also be because of the general pull yourself up by your bootstraps feels in America due to when everyone was originally immigrating here and pulling themselves up by their bootstraps to make a better life for themselves than back in their home countries?
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Healthcare should be free to all citizens not because I'm a Democrud. It's because no matter what, we all pay for it anyhow. When an uninsured goes to the hospital, who pays for it? Don't kid yourself, When the ambulance pick them up, who pays for it?

Might as well pay for it on the front end, so we don't pay for it on the back end, which include suffering. Governments always looses. And in turn tax us more. So why not just tax, take it in the a$$, and move on.

When I worked for a car brand, the manager once told me he hated airbag (one) when it first came out. It's his right if his had goes through the windshield. Afraid to speak up, I'm thinking. It will be my insurance premiums that will cover your head going through the windshield. It's your right, but I'm still paying for it. I'm paying for it no matter what you think. And while you at it, don't buckle up. We work for the same company same insurance.
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It's a product/good/service whatever you want to call it.

Anyone who thinks it's a right should move to Venezuela or some other socialist shithole where "healthcare" is a "right"
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It's a product/good/service whatever you want to call it.

Anyone who thinks it's a right should move to Venezuela or some other socialist shithole where "healthcare" is a "right"
Nevermind all those "socialist shitholes" in Europe too.
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