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Old 11-14-2018, 08:19 PM
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Debate team girl gets in way over her head, but she's at least a pro about it.
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He's correct. Moving on.
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Old 11-14-2018, 08:59 PM
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Yea, he pretty much makes fantastic points throughout the whole video.

Once you pass freedom of speech restrictions you basically end freedom of speech. And thats the danger. I wish people could understand the overall greater GOOD of not infringing on rights vs a few people being hurt.
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Love watching this guy.
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Yea, he pretty much makes fantastic points throughout the whole video.

Once you pass freedom of speech restrictions you basically end freedom of speech. And thats the danger. I wish people could understand the overall greater GOOD of not infringing on rights vs a few people being hurt.
Not giving the dude views/clicks, but what exactly does he say about these "freedom of speech restrictions"?
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Not giving the dude views/clicks, but what exactly does he say about these "freedom of speech restrictions"?
Hate speech that isnt a call to action shoulnt be restricted. The danger is that if you believe it should, whats the measure for it? Define hate speech. And who gets to define it, the current group in power? There is danger in that.
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Old 11-14-2018, 09:32 PM
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video sucks, don't watch it.

Hate speech is a thing, whether it should be legal or what is another debate.
Bunch of dumb kids

Hate speech is a communication that carries no meaning other than the expression of hatred for some group, especially in circumstances in which the communication is likely to provoke violence. It is an incitement to hatred primarily against a group of persons defined in terms of race, ethnicity, national origin, gender, religion, sexual orientation, and the like. Hate speech can be any form of expression regarded as offensive to racial, ethnic and religious groups and other discrete minorities or to women
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Once you pass freedom of speech restrictions you basically end freedom of speech. And thats the danger. I wish people could understand the overall greater GOOD of not infringing on rights vs a few people being hurt.
This, especially the bolded part.
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Hate speech that isnt a call to action shoulnt be restricted. The danger is that if you believe it should, whats the measure for it? Define hate speech. And who gets to define it, the current group in power? There is danger in that.
How does he define a call to action?
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Yea, he pretty much makes fantastic points throughout the whole video.

Once you pass freedom of speech restrictions you basically end freedom of speech. And thats the danger. I wish people could understand the overall greater GOOD of not infringing on rights vs a few people being hurt.
Has free speech been infringed upon in recent years?
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How does he define a call to action?
Saying "go kill that jew" vs "i hate jews". One is a call to action, one is not. The former is already a crime, the latter is not.
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Saying "go kill that jew" vs "i hate jews". One is a call to action, one is not. The former is already a crime, the latter is not.
What if the former is enough for someone to go hurt Jews? Isn't that a call to action?
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Isn't that a call to action?
no
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What if the former is enough for someone to go hurt Jews? Isn't that a call to action?
Nope
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Not giving the dude views/clicks
So do you or do you not want to "have the conversation"? Or do you just want an echo chamber for yourself? You want to discuss the issue but don't want to hear the other side of the argument? That's not a discussion at that point now is it?


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Not giving the dude views/clicks,
And there is the problem.
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video sucks, don't watch it.

Hate speech is a thing, whether it should be legal or what is another debate.
Bunch of dumb kids

Hate speech is a communication that carries no meaning other than the expression of hatred for some group, especially in circumstances in which the communication is likely to provoke violence. It is an incitement to hatred primarily against a group of persons defined in terms of race, ethnicity, national origin, gender, religion, sexual orientation, and the like. Hate speech can be any form of expression regarded as offensive to racial, ethnic and religious groups and other discrete minorities or to women
no. There is absolutely no reason to make language illegal.
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video sucks, don't watch it.


Bunch of dumb kids
The "kids" are the ones arguing for censorship of speech. Which side are you arguing ?
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Actually a decent video.
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The "kids" are the ones arguing for censorship of speech. Which side are you arguing ?
they actually came across as intelligent too. I thought the video was good all the way around.
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"Hate speech isn't real", he says, having never been on the side of hate speech.
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http://www.baltimoresun.com/entertai...114-story.html



A man shouted a pro-**** and pro-Trump salute during a performance of “Fiddler on the Roof” at Baltimore’s Hippodrome Theatre on Wednesday night in an outburst that some audience members feared was the beginning of a shooting.Audience member Rich Scherr said the outburst happened during intermission. The man, who had been seated in the balcony, began shouting “Heil Hitler, Heil Trump.” Immediately after that, “People started running,” Scherr said. “I’ll be honest, I was waiting to hear a gunshot. I thought, ‘Here we go.’ ”The man was escorted out a few minutes later and the show continued. But Scherr, 49, said it was hard to focus on the play after that. “My heart was just racing. I didn’t even really pay attention to the second act.”

“Fiddler” tells the story of a Jewish family as it faces persecution in tsarist Russia. It’s based on “Tevye the Dairyman,” a fictional story originally written in Yiddish. The play opened Tuesday and runs through Sunday in Baltimore. A spokesman for the Hippodrome could not be reached late Wednesday.
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Why would they be worried if it wasn't a direct call to action?

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Yea, he pretty much makes fantastic points throughout the whole video.Once you pass freedom of speech restrictions you basically end freedom of speech. And thats the danger. I wish people could understand the overall greater GOOD of not infringing on rights vs a few people being hurt.
I didn't watch the video but I do agree with what you're saying. I will have to watch it at another time.

Does he mention anything regarding the consequences you may for face for your "free speech"? Because that is the part I think a lot of people get tripped up about...

Also, I DO think "hate speech" has a place in our legal system. If someone goes on a killing spree of only black people for example, and he is known for saying "hateful" things about them, that would help support the charge of a "hate crime".
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I would wager a lot of people on the no hate speech train think that hate crimes should be done away with
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