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Old 01-14-2019, 11:21 AM
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Default 2020 Toyota Supra ; Underwhelming AF

The 2020 Toyota Supra Is Finally Here With 335 HP, Does Zero to 60 in 4.1 Seconds


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Photo: Justin Westbrook No more leaks. No more teasers. No more camouflage. At long last the all-new 2020 Toyota Supra is here to revive a storied nameplate, and even if itís a BMW underneath now itís still packing turbocharged inline-six power, rear-wheel drive and aggressive looks.You probably know the back story by now, but Iíll touch on that in a bit anyway. In the meantime hereís whatís important: 335 horsepower, 365 lb-ft of torque, eight-speed paddle shift automatic only, and an impressive estimated zero to 60 mph time of 4.1 seconds. Top speed is limited to 155 mph, and weight comes in at 3,397 pounds. That makes it the quickest Toyota-brand car to date, apparently.


Interestingly, at 335 HP, itís actually less powerful than the U.S. market 2019 BMW Z4 with which it shares a platform and engine. That carís rated at 382 HP here, but at 335 HP in Europe and other markets.

Then thereís pricing: $50,920 for the base car, $54,920 for the Premium, including destination charge. The Premium gets you a JBL 12-speaker audio system, a HUD and the leather seats. The Launch Editionís $56,180, is limited to 1,500 cars and has red accents outside and a red leather interior. And as we had heard before, this Supraís not built in Japan, but in Austria by Magna Steyr.

The Launch Edition Supra. The car will arrive in two trims: 3.0 and 3.0 Premium, and the latter will have a special Launch Edition. The Premium gets you will feature heated leather-trimmed seats, and the Launch Edition is slightly even fancier than that.

Itís also called the 2020 GR Supra in a news release, but itís unclear if Toyota will really use the Gazoo Racing branding here in the U.S. (Update: I checked with a Toyota rep, and yes, the car will use the GR brand here in America. Several new cars will, especially those who are CEO Akio Toyodaís special projects, like this one.)

In a news release in Europe, Toyota calls the new carís design ďCondensed Extreme.Ē That means the focus was on a short wheelbase, big wheels, a wide stance, and a long, low hood.

Regardless of any kind of specs, for many enthusiasts everywhere, this has been a long time coming.

The most famous Supra, the MKIV or A80, was discontinued in America in 1998 and everywhere in 2002 amid tightening emissions standards, Japanís recession and a globally declining sports car market. Its return has been the stuff of car magazine (and later, car blog) rumors almost ever since, including whispers of a hybrid or even mid-engine successo

In 2012 Toyota announced a sports car joint venture with BMW, and years of spy shots and more rumors followed until the 2019 BMW Z4 was finally unveiled last summer. Since then its rollout has been almost excruciatingóone spy shot and leak and exhaust clip and pricing tidbit and misplaced tweetafter another. Just give us the damn car already, every fan seemed to scream. We even drove a prototype back in September, still wearing camouflage.

Itís been a long time coming. It has been 25 years since the launch of the last Toyota Supra, wayÖ

The Supra and Z4 share nearly all components, including a 3.0-liter twin-scroll turbo inline six BMW engine (the code is B58, for all you nerds), a BMW platform and an eight-speed automatic gearbox. A four-cylinder Z4 is coming soon and the same motor is anticipated for the Supra as well.

Update: In Japan we have specs on the four-cylinder motor, and itís 2.0-liter unit that comes in two formsóone with 255 HP and one with 194 HP. Itís also lighter at about 3,100 pounds, though itís unclear which version will come to the U.S. My guess is the former.

Pricing for the four-cylinder Supra has not been announced

But as much as we enjoy a good BMW convertible, itís been the Supra thatís commanded the lionís share of attentionóand rightfully so. Over the past 20 years itís evolved from being just the Toyota brandís last flagship sport coupe to a tuner legend, with modders and drag racers everywhere frequently building up its 2JZ-GTE inline six to four-digit horsepower levels.

The original Supra was a potent grand toureróalbeit a heavy oneóbut it really came into its own when people started messing with it.

This new Supra is a different animal. For one, itís a two-seater like the Z4 is, unlike every Supra thatís come before it. It has iDrive because itís a BMW! Itís smaller and lighter than its predecessor, and this time around it was benchmarked against the Porsche Cayman and Boxster. It seems to be more of a purer sports car than last time, although weíre positive the tuners will have fun with it just as they did the smaller Subaru BRZ and Toyota GT86.

The question is this: Will it drive too much like a BMW to stand on its own, or will the experience be good enough that its German car guts wonít matter? Weíll find out when we drive it soon.

https://jalopnik.com/the-2020-toyota...oes-1831719119
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TLDR

They should've called the LFA the supra and left it at that. This is just a BMW FRS
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its a sports car with superior driving dynamics

also no one buys corvettes

torque increases don't count

no one should pay more than $14 for a ford

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more comprehensive pictures here:

https://www.motortrend.com/news/2020...interior-seats
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Originally Posted by $amGD3 View Post
TLDR

They should've called the LFA the supra and left it at that. This is just a BMW FRS
I love when you try to talk cars.

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This was my favorite GTI design ever, what hppnd to dis ugh

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That's not even a GTI you expert
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Hey Sam was this the peak for the Civic Type-R? I think so

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golf/rabbit? iono they all look the same to meh

r32 GTI is what i meant
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so Type-R Si?

Maybe just stop typing and Google something bro.
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Will be able to get new Supra for less than an MKIV
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Honestly I'm not mad about it. It's pretty much exactly what I would expect Toyota to come out with in 2019. I think too many people were expecting a 2019 version of the MK4 and are disappointed now but they should know better than that by now.

I'm looking forward to seeing people mod these and (hopefully) come up with numbers to make the MK4 proud.
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You can go one of two ways

You can go GT-R/NSX and grow the car's performance and price to the era

Or

You can go back to the roots, which is what they've done
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They've done collaborations before, nothing new. Get over yourself.
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Wait....3,300 lbs and a direct injected BMW straight 6?? What is the problem here? That car will ******* fly when modded. Id bet FBO gets you 400+HP like the N54 motors. I mean I get the bitching about no manual transmission, but still....the **** is the problem?
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Wait....3,300 lbs and a direct injected BMW straight 6?? What is the problem here? That car will ******* fly when modded. Id bet FBO gets you 400+HP like the N54 motors. I mean I get the bitching about no manual transmission, but still....the **** is the problem?
It's not a lowered Fit or 8th-gen Si?
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Wait....3,300 lbs and a direct injected BMW straight 6?? What is the problem here? That car will ******* fly when modded. Id bet FBO gets you 400+HP like the N54 motors. I mean I get the bitching about no manual transmission, but still....the **** is the problem?

I think people are seeing 335hp, then looking at the price tag and writing it off.

I know I am lol
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I think people are seeing 335hp, then looking at the price tag and writing it off.

I know I am lol
How much was the MKIV inflation adjusted?
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LOL at the rear trunk size.


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How much was the MKIV inflation adjusted?
We're not looking at it like that though. We're looking at the current market at that price point....
I'm not even a potential buyer either. I'm not in a place to go buy a $50k+ car. We all know what kind of car I'm into so obviously this wouldn't be it regardless. I'm just tagging along in the fun lol
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LOL at the rear trunk size.


OOF.
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I think people are seeing 335hp, then looking at the price tag and writing it off.

I know I am lol
I used to think this way but in my old age I've realized using a 300hp car at 10/10 is a lot more fun than using a 600+hp car at 6/10. Lets be real, it's difficult to have fun in a 600+hp car everyday on the street when you stab the gas not knowing how the car is going to respond.
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LOL at the rear trunk size.
But where will I put my golf clubs?
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I used to think this way but in my old age I've realized using a 300hp car at 10/10 is a lot more fun than using a 600+hp car at 6/10. Lets be real, it's difficult to have fun in a 600+hp car everyday on the street when you stab the gas not knowing how the car is going to respond.

That's the "fun" though!
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The placement of that stupid GR badge pisses me off
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I have a feeling most people were hoping for this in some form so their disappointment was inevitable

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I didn't see turn signals as an option in the upgraded models. Can someone confirm at which level turn signals are included?
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I bet this car outperforms the MKIV SIGNIFICANTLY stock for stock.

It is already faster 0-60.

I dont think this will be like the Skyline 350GT.
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It absolutely will. As it should. There's new econoboxes that'll give a stock MKIV a run lol
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LOL at the rear trunk size.


Smaller than the S2000, oof.

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I bet this car outperforms the MKIV SIGNIFICANTLY stock for stock.

It is already faster 0-60.

I dont think this will be like the Skyline 350GT.
At 25 years of technology later, I would hope so.
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