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Old 10-26-2015, 07:42 AM   #1
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Car & Driver got its hands on a production NSX Sport Hybrid to test out.

This is the first time I've seen in print the official HP rating of 573. I'm sure that the motors add up to more HP than that, but it's probably like the 5G Legend where they report something reasonable instead of the total.

With the 5G Legend, they report 377 HP, but the four motors add up to 430 HP.

Also, it looks like there is still an embargo on the performance figures and EPA estimates, although they're saying EPA is mid 20's.

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The car lost its momentum.
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I was excited for it back in 2013.
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"The 2017 NSX, developed mainly in Ohio"

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I have a feeling this thing is going to be bonkers fast.

Odd the very same article lists 3 electric motors and one ICE for a total of 622hp, but then lists total power at 573hp.
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This looks killer.
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I wonder if it will be able to do 400,000 miles without any issues like the original?
The original NSX, you could probably make that the only car you ever bought and drive it for 50 years.
Maybe rebuild the engine at 1,000,000 and keep going.
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Old 10-26-2015, 08:24 AM   #10
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I was excited for it back in 2013.
They changed concepts completely.

Originally, they were going to have a high output version of the J Motor mounted transverse and back then they were even talking about a manual transmission.

As they got closer to putting them on the road (you might remember one of these at an ITR Expo and some road courses here and there), they realized that it wasn't going to produce the performance they wanted.

Complete change of heart, Sport Hybrid concept introduced, plus longitudinal J Motor with blowers, 9 DCT, and much production coming from Cosworth as far as the motor goes.

So they didn't just change the concept...they went beyond their capacity to produce internally what they wanted. And it was the North American team that decided this, that they could do a lot better than the original concept.

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"The 2017 NSX, developed mainly in Ohio"

*Walks out*
I don't know why you'd worry about that. There's a lot of good stuff coming from the North American team these days. And if it makes you feel better, the original Sports Hybrid SH-AWD ideas and development came out of Saiyama.

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I have a feeling this thing is going to be bonkers fast.

Odd the very same article lists 3 electric motors and one ICE for a total of 622hp, but then lists total power at 573hp.
That sounds like they did what they did with my car, which is not to report the HP of the motor that's integral with the transmission.

You use that motor to pre-select the gears up and down, and you use that motor as a high HP, 250-volt starter motor. With the Honda Sports Hybrid idea, when you want the ICE on, it's on instantly...it works very well.

The electric motor that provides starter power and pre-selection of gears will provide forward momentum, but watching on the INFO screen how this all works, I have never seen a time that it looked like all three motors and the ICE were providing forward momentum at the same time.

There's something I'm curious about. With my car the two rear electric motors stop providing forward momentum at 90 mph or so, although they will still vector the car by retarding on one side and pushing on the other side.

I can't help wondering how they do this with the NSX.

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I wonder if it will be able to do 400,000 miles without any issues like the original?
The original NSX, you could probably make that the only car you ever bought and drive it for 50 years.
Maybe rebuild the engine at 1,000,000 and keep going.
Using the electric motors for a big part of the total HP should keep the stress off of the J Motor. :-)
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I was excited for it back in 2013.
07 or so for me.
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After reading and watching the video on Autoblog, it seems as if Honda will hit it's target of a car that you can drive everyday in supreme comfort and offer the kind of performance you'd expect after paying a premium.

I especially like the quiet mode they offer:

The most docile setting is called Quiet, which keeps engine revs below 4,000 rpm, closes off the active exhaust and engine intake sound pipe, and uses electric power as much as possible.







And when you want to use all of this:

Behind the cockpit is a 75-degree, twin-turbocharged, 3.5-liter V6, made specifically for the NSX. On its own it puts out 500 horsepower and 406 pound-feet of torque. The rest of Honda's lineup uses a 60-degree layout, but the wider angle lowers the center of gravity. Behind the engine is the rear assist motor, with 47 hp and 100 lb-ft. Hanging off the rear of that is the nine-speed dual clutch, developed in-house.

In between the front wheels is the Twin Motor Unit (TMU), a pair of 36-hp, 54-lb-ft electric motors that add or subtract forces to its respective side. The Power Drive unit manages the electronics, and sits in the center spine of the car like a traditional prop shaft. A lithium-ion battery pack is behind the pair of seats, on the cold side of the firewall. Total system output is 573 hp and 476 lb-ft.



you have track mode.





For me, there are two factors that disappoint. One is the lack of steering feel:


Like a fly-by-wire fighter jet that needs the computer to maintain stable flight, the NSX uses the electronics to pull off feats of handling that are otherwise impossible. In Sport mode, the car exhibits a soft, friendly understeer. Move to Track mode, and that understeer all but disappears. Klaus says the understeer is baked into the chassis setup, but the SH-AWD can work to make the car behave neutrally.

Are there compromises? Oh yes. For one, you don't get any steering feedback through the wheel. On our final session around the Sonoma Raceway we adjusted to picking up the car's state of grip through our hips. This is not a car that speaks in the traditional sense, and many people will have a problem with that. On the other hand, the NSX can do things other cars can't, like cut around a hairpin at speeds that leave other cars plowing in a straight line.



The other is the curb weight at 3800 lbs.


Maybe the next NSX will be the one you want. The one you think about while waiting at a stop light.


It's still very nice doe.

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3800lbs?

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I don't know why you'd worry about that. There's a lot of good stuff coming from the North American team these days. And if it makes you feel better, the original Sports Hybrid SH-AWD ideas and development came out of Saiyama.
I just have this preconception that an NSX should be built by a small Japanese man with a white lab coat, who eats only the best sashimi for lunch and dinner, and drives a 1970s CVCC to work cause he built it himself.

Not some NASCAR watching, Budweiser drinking middle american lard *** who gets **** every Thanksgiving from his father cause he remembers fighting those japs, not working for them.
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except its probably a team of Indian dudes named Anish
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Old 10-26-2015, 09:36 AM   #16
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I don't understand

This is supposed to be something special but the interior looks like it uses left over parts from other Acuras

The outside is like hey ya

Inside is like hey....ILX much in here brah?
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Old 10-26-2015, 09:41 AM   #17
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I just have this preconception that an NSX should be built by a small Japanese man with a white lab coat, who eats only the best sashimi for lunch and dinner, and drives a 1970s CVCC to work cause he built it himself.

Not some NASCAR watching, Budweiser drinking middle american lard *** who gets **** every Thanksgiving from his father cause he remembers fighting those japs, not working for them.
Well.

It's a working class British guy who works for Cosworth and probably eats sausages twice a day.

Does that help or hurt?

Would you buy a Lotus or a McLaren knowing it was put together by the same working class British guy?

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Same electric motors as on my car, it looks like.

Hmmmm.....

So 619 total HP and 573 on the road.

Hmmmmm.....

Just like with my car, they're not reporting the 47 HP motor. I guess the HP there varies too much. You might have to use some of the HP for propulsion, but at various other times it's used to select gears.

If you're in Quiet Mode, you'll have to use that power to start the J Motor quickly, when you change your mind.
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McLaren/Honda apparent close ties.. I see.
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3800 lbs????? No thanks
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I'm not digging the interior and I have a GT-R...
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I dont like it.
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Seems as if R&T had access to one:

If you're looking for mechanical purity, or that magical synergy of man and machine that Honda once did so well, I'm sorry, neither is here.


Regarding the steering, same old story, just like modern day BMWs:

It would be perfect if I could tell where the hell I was on the road. There's no on-center feel, and the wheel's numb in my hands. If, like me, you rely on your fingertips to tell you what's happening at the front wheels, you're right out of luck.

To sum up:

There was a time when you felt a little NSX in your Accord. Now there's too much Accord in your NSX.



I think I will have that bacon today.
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The drive by wire brakes sound like they're perfect.
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except its probably a team of Indian dudes named Anish
Most likely Indian guys designed it for $10/hour. Maybe a guy in Japan 'managed' them.
Then it was probably bolted together by a much of Mexican dudes without papers.

How I assume most cars are made now days.
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