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Old 05-15-2019, 02:15 PM
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Originally Posted by moopmoop View Post
Look at SCOTUS' composition.

Tell me again that Roe v Wade is safe.

If Alabama puts this illegal law into place, it could easily be escalated to SCOTUS & many of the justices there would prefer to live in a backwards theocracy than a modern western state.
The only people who ever seem to say itís in danger is the left, crazy how that works
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Every PE teacher I had growing up was a Butch lesbian. Is that weird?
That sucks.

Did you at least get the hot substitute every once in a while?
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Old 05-15-2019, 02:23 PM
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The only people who ever seem to say itís in danger is the left, crazy how that works
The only people who ever seem to say that the 2A is in danger is the right, crazy how that works.
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Old 05-15-2019, 02:28 PM
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The only people who ever seem to say itís in danger is the left, crazy how that works
What the... !? Dude are you ******* kidding? The right is now CHEERING the fact that the current makeup of the SCOTUS means that Roe can likely be overturned soon. Are you really so delusional that you can't admit that? C'mon man, you MUST be better than that.
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Old 05-15-2019, 02:41 PM
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Originally Posted by rico91stang View Post
Exactly.

Maybe you and I have a different definition of life. I think the main reason we have the different definition is so YOU can avoid what the definition of murder is.
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When does personhood begin (i.e. when should the protections of personhood begin), and what is that definition based on?
So what, exactly, is your definition of personhood then? Please share with the group, rico. Serious question, and it is the most important question in the whole abortion debate. Strangely it is a question that many conservatives seem to want to avoid, probably because they would have to acknowledge that their definition is based at least partly on their religious beliefs, and they fear not being able to defend basing laws on their religious beliefs very well. (I say "personhood" and not "life" because a plant/raccoon/brain-dead accident victim are "life", but are not what we are discussing here and are not subject to laws against murder.)
Nothing rico? Lots of window shoppers on the lot keepin ya busy today? Only enough time for troll posts? For some reason I thought you took this issue at least *slightly* seriously and wanted to discuss it. Guess not.
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Old 05-15-2019, 03:20 PM
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What the... !? Dude are you ******* kidding? The right is now CHEERING the fact that the current makeup of the SCOTUS means that Roe can likely be overturned soon. Are you really so delusional that you can't admit that? C'mon man, you MUST be better than that.
Find me more than conjecture from news outlets with no substantiation about anyone (sans Alabama hillbillies) who is calling for it, SCOTUS judges included, I will wait.

For posterity, I couldn’t give any less a **** about abortion, do what you’d soul can handle.
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Originally Posted by Tokyosmash! View Post
Find me more than conjecture from news outlets with no substantiation about anyone (sans Alabama hillbillies) who is calling for it, SCOTUS judges included, I will wait.
I'm guessing you're going to tell me this doesn't count, can't wait to hear why.

Originally Posted by The New Republic

Trump vows that he will overturn Roe v. Wadeďautomatically.Ē

During the beginning of the third presidential debate, Trump came out hard against abortion. He affirmed that, if elected, he would appoint only pro-life justices to the Supreme Court and that Roe v. Wade would be ďautomaticallyĒ overturned. (Thatís not how the Supreme Court works.) He would then leave it up for the ďstates to make a determinationĒ on the issue.
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Old 05-15-2019, 04:35 PM
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Trump was BS'ing, that's different and can't be believed
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Yeah but besides the president
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Old 05-15-2019, 04:52 PM
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Look, I understand that the majority of you are not lawyers and thusly don't understand precedent in legal rulings, but Roe vs Wade has been affirmed so many times it would literally be impossible to overturn it. I don't understand why people even think it can be done. You can overturn a single ruling, but once you have multiple rulings all being affirmed by each other, the law has been decided. It's like the Sopranos. It's over.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doe_v._Bolton

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Planne...thood_v._Casey

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stenberg_v._Carhart

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gonzales_v._Carhart

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whole_...v._Hellerstedt
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Right
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So what, exactly, is your definition of personhood then? Please share with the group, rico. Serious question, and it is the most important question in the whole abortion debate. Strangely it is a question that many conservatives seem to want to avoid, probably because they would have to acknowledge that their definition is based at least partly on their religious beliefs, and they fear not being able to defend basing laws on their religious beliefs very well. (I say "personhood" and not "life" because a plant/raccoon/brain-dead accident victim are "life", but are not what we are discussing here and are not subject to laws against murder.)

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I believe life starts at conception but that means birth control pills would be a no no.

In an effort to compromise. I have changed positions to life begins when the fertilized egg attaches to the uterine lining.
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Look, I understand that the majority of you are not lawyers and thusly don't understand precedent in legal rulings, but Roe vs Wade has been affirmed so many times it would literally be impossible to overturn it. I don't understand why people even think it can be done. You can overturn a single ruling, but once you have multiple rulings all being affirmed by each other, the law has been decided. It's like the Sopranos. It's over.
I assume you can provide a source for this legal justification.
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Nothing rico? Lots of window shoppers on the lot keepin ya busy today? Only enough time for troll posts? For some reason I thought you took this issue at least *slightly* seriously and wanted to discuss it. Guess not.
Aww I wish I saw this first. Could have trolled harder by ignoring the question.
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Old 05-15-2019, 04:59 PM
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I believe life starts at conception but that means birth control pills would be a no no.

In an effort to compromise. I have changed positions to life begins when the fertilized egg attaches to the uterine lining.
With an unmarried couple, who should be responsible for providing for the healthcare of the pregnancy?
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Originally Posted by 2LEM1 View Post
Look, I understand that the majority of you are not lawyers and thusly don't understand precedent in legal rulings, but Roe vs Wade has been affirmed so many times it would literally be impossible to overturn it. I don't understand why people even think it can be done. You can overturn a single ruling, but once you have multiple rulings all being affirmed by each other, the law has been decided. It's like the Sopranos. It's over.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doe_v._Bolton

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Planne...thood_v._Casey

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stenberg_v._Carhart

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gonzales_v._Carhart

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whole_...v._Hellerstedt
So 40yo precedents have never been overturned?
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With an unmarried couple, who should be responsible for providing for the healthcare of the pregnancy?
You don’t have to provide healthcare
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So 40yo precedents have never been overturned?
Look, you arenít a lawyer. You donít understand.
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Old 05-15-2019, 05:03 PM
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I still don't know why/ how John McCain is/was a traitor.

I also haven't learned when personhood begins.
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That’s why I ask these newb Qs
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Old 05-15-2019, 05:19 PM
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The only people who ever seem to say that the 2A is in danger is the right, crazy how that works.
I believe the left would say they dont understand or want the 2A in this day and age.
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I believe life starts at conception but that means birth control pills would be a no no.

In an effort to compromise. I have changed positions to life begins when the fertilized egg attaches to the uterine lining.
What parameters do you define life?
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Didn’t Obama literally pardon a bunch of drug offenders he was related to?
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Didnít Obama literally pardon a bunch of drug offenders he was related to?
He also pardoned Bin Laden and just pretended he was dead.

2LEM1 not sure why you can't smell the victory close at hand. Roe is done in 2020, just in time for the election.
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