Z10 Bedplate (keyword add: block girdle bed plate halo ring)
09-12-2003, 07:06 AM
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Z10 Bedplate (keyword add: block girdle bed plate halo ring)
Does anybody have any experience with the new Z10 bedplate block girdle? Looks like something similar to what they do on the K-series motors and SRT-4 motors. What do you guys think of it?
Since it appears to become an extension of the block skirt, it requires a proprietary oilpan:
Since it appears to become an extension of the block skirt, it requires a proprietary oilpan:
09-12-2003, 07:18 AM
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Re: Z10 Bedplate (CheezeFrog)
From what i have been told they are not machined 100% in tolerances. When you torque the main caps down they give an uneven distribution, thereby wearing the bearings out quicker. I would love to run one, but I havent been able to get a counter statement on what I have heard from anyone reputable.
*Edit* I am speaking of the 3 row block girdle, so quite possible this would be different.
Modified by boosted hybrid at 11:30 AM 9/12/2003
*Edit* I am speaking of the 3 row block girdle, so quite possible this would be different.
Modified by boosted hybrid at 11:30 AM 9/12/2003
09-12-2003, 08:05 AM
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Re: Z10 Bedplate (CheezeFrog)
If you have this doweled for the main caps and then line honed then you should have no bearing problems. Assuming the aluminum doesn't deform at high temps.......
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09-12-2003, 08:43 AM
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Re: Z10 Bedplate (Bnjmn)
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09-12-2003, 08:48 AM
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Re: Z10 Bedplate (Bnjmn)
The added cost of the line bore, and doweling is at least the cost of the girdle itself. It adds another 600-700.00 into building the bottom end. Between the cost, labor, and questionable performance gains adding one is in most cases not worth it.
09-18-2003, 12:55 PM
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Re: Z10 Bedplate (rOby)
Me myself, I like this one,
Or check it out right here...
http://store.hybridgarage.com/...00001
Adi
Or check it out right here...
http://store.hybridgarage.com/...00001
Adi
09-18-2003, 01:04 PM
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Re: Z10 Bedplate (rOby)
Is the one Geoff posted a bedplate design as well? I'm kinda thinking of using one, and if there's more than one on the market, so much the better.
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09-18-2003, 02:08 PM
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Re: Z10 Bedplate (FuzzyGreen)
It does seem pretty crazy to me that D series motors come with such a good block girdle, and the B series didn't.
Maybe honda wanted to be extra careful because of the long stroke?
Maybe honda wanted to be extra careful because of the long stroke?
09-18-2003, 02:42 PM
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Re: Z10 Bedplate (HXMan)
that is the girdle from the b20a5 or the b21A from the 88-91 prelude, not the D series.
That motor had a long stroke and very short rod, and as a result an awful rod:stroke ratio.
That motor had a long stroke and very short rod, and as a result an awful rod:stroke ratio.
09-18-2003, 07:39 PM
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Re: Z10 Bedplate (Jamison)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Jamison »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I have seen the z10 (5 main, halo) one in person and it is beutiful!! Awesome people, awesome products... z10 
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hell yea, you can say that again.....
your bandwagon jumpin idiots can talk alot of smack about something, but not know a damn thing about it or have any experiance to back up your mouths.
go check out the Z10 5 main girdle in person with Halo ring and alll......talk to jim, he will set you straight.
</TD></TR></TABLE>hell yea, you can say that again.....
your bandwagon jumpin idiots can talk alot of smack about something, but not know a damn thing about it or have any experiance to back up your mouths.
go check out the Z10 5 main girdle in person with Halo ring and alll......talk to jim, he will set you straight.
04-01-2004, 08:43 PM
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Re: Z10 Bedplate (Z10ROB)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Z10ROB »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Endyns Girdle is not a 5 Main. Its a 3 Main COPY! of the Z10 3 MAIN
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dont be mad because he improved on your design. Your being selfish and not looking at bettering the sport...
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dont be mad because he improved on your design. Your being selfish and not looking at bettering the sport...
04-02-2004, 09:25 AM
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Re: Z10 Bedplate (tony1)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by tony1 »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Just out of curiosity, has anyone ever seen main bearing problems in a b block? I haven't. If it ain't broke...</TD></TR></TABLE>
if it ain't broke, i'll fix it until it is!
but seriously, these things will just be more of a problem than stock if they dont fit right. i think we all remember the z10 3 bolt mains that didnt fit, unless you machined dowels into them.. like stock!
i personally ran an LS block w/o any type of main girdle at 9500rpm for an entire year and had no abnormal bearing wear or related problems in the block.
this personally seems to me like just another marketing scheme to make a buck. sure the new K blocks come with them stock.. but that is STOCK! I dont doubt the z10s may make the bottom end stiffer, but is that even neccesary??
if it ain't broke, i'll fix it until it is!
but seriously, these things will just be more of a problem than stock if they dont fit right. i think we all remember the z10 3 bolt mains that didnt fit, unless you machined dowels into them.. like stock!
i personally ran an LS block w/o any type of main girdle at 9500rpm for an entire year and had no abnormal bearing wear or related problems in the block.
this personally seems to me like just another marketing scheme to make a buck. sure the new K blocks come with them stock.. but that is STOCK! I dont doubt the z10s may make the bottom end stiffer, but is that even neccesary??
04-02-2004, 09:33 AM
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Re: Z10 Bedplate (00siBuilder)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by 00siBuilder »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
dont be mad because he improved on your design. Your being selfish and not looking at bettering the sport... </TD></TR></TABLE>
^^ What he said. Z10 gets a huge thumbs down for his comment, badmouthing another business on a public web board, especially in a manner where Larry obviously improved your design.
dont be mad because he improved on your design. Your being selfish and not looking at bettering the sport... </TD></TR></TABLE>
^^ What he said. Z10 gets a huge thumbs down for his comment, badmouthing another business on a public web board, especially in a manner where Larry obviously improved your design.
04-02-2004, 09:41 AM
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Re: Z10 Bedplate (Unsung EM1)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Unsung EM1 »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"> Z10 gets a huge thumbs down for his comment, badmouthing another business on a public web board, especially in a manner where Larry obviously improved your design.</TD></TR></TABLE>
Saying something was a COPY is not badmouthing bro...He didnt say f@ck endyn for stealing our design or anything.
Saying something was a COPY is not badmouthing bro...He didnt say f@ck endyn for stealing our design or anything.
04-02-2004, 09:43 AM
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Re: Z10 Bedplate (quickda6)
Yeah i guess you are right, but the big bold COPY! is what pissed me off. Everyone on HT tries to take low blows at Larry whenever they can, I usually just get infuriated when I see it. 