kholmes

Just curious. Ive heard people say they fit fine but then why would greddy split these kits up?

cyman83

probably some of the pipings, and 92-95 is obd1 and 96-98 is obd2. so the emanage/blue box will be different

ATS*Mark

i have a 92-95 kit on my 99 civic , answer your question?

Sonny

I think Greddy basically did it because of CARB. The 92-95 kit was made for the D16Z6. That motor was replaced by the D16Y8 in the later Civics.

Sonny

b1ackc1v1c

15g blue box (not tunable)...19t emanage(tunable)...and yea many people have done it so there shouldn't be no problem.

99_Ek9

I have the 92-95 greddy kit on my 1999 D16Y7 with the Y8 manifold. Currently running on the blue box but changing to Uberdata in about 2-3 weeks..

boostincoupe

I have the 92-95 greddy kit on my 97 civic EX.

kholmes

So was there alterations needed? Or just bolt up?

boostincoupe

The o2 sensor wire needs to be extended, and the blue box needs to be properly wired for the P2P 96-98 civic EX OBD-II ECU.

BauleyCivic

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Blue box...pffft

You could just get an AFC

ATS*Mark

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You could just get an AFC </TD></TR></TABLE>


uberdata!

Joseph Davis

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FMU!

BauleyCivic

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FMU!</TD></TR></TABLE>

NO FUEL MANAGEMENT !!!!

ATS*Mark

while your bullshittin.....there is this eg hatch running around with a b16 turbo tryin to run me . he is on stock ecu and stock injectors , no management. lol how he hasnt blown up yet is beyond me.

BauleyCivic

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by OnePointSicks &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">while your bullshittin.....there is this eg hatch running around with a b16 turbo tryin to run me . he is on stock ecu and stock injectors , no management. lol how he hasnt blown up yet is beyond me.</TD></TR></TABLE>

It's a b-series...they are invincible

And on homemade turbo, they've even said that you can run no fuel management up to like 3psi

boostincoupe

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Blue box...pffft

You could just get an AFC </TD></TR></TABLE>

pffft...for a low-boost setup (read: less than 10 psi), I'm convinced that the greddy blue box is better than the AFC hack. I have done a lot of research on the hack; it has worked well for a lot of people, and it's caused hell for others (yourself included).

https://honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=750611

Here's a dyno graph of a Greddy turbocharged D16Y8 with the greddy blue box as the only form of fuel management. He dynoed 185whp/171tq at only 7 psi, with a 12.5:1 AF ratio under boost. Stock timing, stock fuel system. It's still running fine today.

I'm running the exact setup:
-D16Y8, stock w/130k miles
-ARP headstuds, fresh OEM HG and rebuilt head w/ 3-angle valve job
-Greddy 92-95 turbo kit
-ACT HDSS clutch kit
-stock dented greddy downpipe -&gt; 2.5" resonated test pipe -&gt; 2.5" Thermal exhaust
-DRAG III FMIC w/custom 2" DIY piping
-2 degree timing retard
-NGK BKR6E plugs, gapped at .034"
-B&M CommandFlo FPR, set at 41 psi at idle, 50 psi @ WOT
-stock fuel pump
-stock injectors
-8 psi

Car runs mint, and has run mint for a year, other than the blown HG from running 12 psi on stock timing. You blew your HG from a combo of re-using headbolts and advanced timing from the hack.

The greddy blue box is really nice for those looking for simple fuel management for daily-driven low boost (people like me). The way it works is, once the MAP sensor sees boost, it throws the injectors into open loop, making them flow the extra fuel necessary up to ~190-200whp (stock injector flow limit).

The cool part about the greddy blue box is if you're not in boost, it's not doing anything. So your car is running off the stock ECU when you're not in boost, like it was meant to. This means great gas mileage, reliability, no part-throttle bucking, etc. Plus, I got it for $50 and spent 30 minutes wiring it in.

For greddy SOHC setups under 8 psi / 190whp, I'd definitely recommend the blue box for cheap, functional fuel management.

I'll hit the dyno this spring and let you all know how it goes.

Edit: The other reason I'm sticking with the blue box is because D16 internals can only handle 220whp or so stock. So I figure I'll wait till I build my motor to make around 250-300whp, THEN I'll go Uberdata or AEM EMS. But until then, blue box bitches!

ATS*Mark

apexi

bauley im supsrised you didint go uberdata....you should.

BauleyCivic

Boostincoupe, I agree 100% with what you're saying. I only chose the hack because I already had an AFC, and it is a convenient boost gauge as well. It does buck at low rpm's, but the car feels strong and boost transition is seamless. For me, it has done all that i've asked of it. I will be upgrading to hondata hopefully this summer.

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You blew your HG from a combo of re-using headbolts and advanced timing from the hack.
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Probably. Right now, I have timing at 9 BTDC, and it runs fine. The HG probably blew from the re-used head bolts, and when I was detonating like a **** NA when I thought it was okay to run 19 BTDC with the AFC hack.

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bauley im supsrised you didint go uberdata....you should.</TD></TR></TABLE>

I'll go hondatD eventually...and you have an apexi exhaust...

ATS*Mark

stop stalking me.....lol

i love apexi i was playin.

boostincoupe

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by BauleyCivic &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Boostincoupe, I agree 100% with what you're saying. I only chose the hack because I already had an AFC, and it is a convenient boost gauge as well. It does buck at low rpm's, but the car feels strong and boost transition is seamless. For me, it has done all that i've asked of it. I will be upgrading to hondata hopefully this summer.

Probably. Right now, I have timing at 9 BTDC, and it runs fine. The HG probably blew from the re-used head bolts, and when I was detonating like a **** NA when I thought it was okay to run 19 BTDC with the AFC hack.

I'll go hondatD eventually...and you have an apexi exhaust... </TD></TR></TABLE>

to you

This is the way I've come to see it:

If you have plans to run more than 10 psi, get Hondata/Uberdata/AEM/Motec/Haltech/whatever.

If not, run the blue box.

K.I.S.S.

BauleyCivic

Yeah but with the AFC looks cooler than uberdata

&lt;--- ricer

boostincoupe

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&lt;--- ricer</TD></TR></TABLE>

LOL I thought I was the only one who thought this way. I actually was thinking about getting my buddy's AFC for $100 and running the hack. Thank God I grew up and realized how dumb that would have been (I can't afford a blown motor).

BauleyCivic

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I actually was thinking about getting my buddy's AFC for $100 and running the hack. Thank God I grew up and realized how dumb that would have been (I can't afford a blown motor).</TD></TR></TABLE>

Ouch You hit me straight in the heart man

Have SOME faith in the hack.

boostincoupe

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Ouch You hit me straight in the heart man

Have SOME faith in the hack.</TD></TR></TABLE>

LOL let the ricer in you go. Get an AVC-R if you need that ricer fix

boostjunkie757

get yourself some hondata....


why skimp on something as crucial as fuel management....thats why i went with tried and true hondata...