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Old 10-07-2009, 02:38 PM
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Default Why does my power drop off once it hit 7k rpm? Dyno included

My set up is pretty basic,
9.5 Wesico piston
Eagles rod
81mm stock sleeves
B18b1 block with B16a head(100% oem)
ITR cams
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victor x manifold
topmount manifold>3 inch downpipe>open Y pipe
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I dont get why it hit a brick wall at 7k rpm, is it because of my head/throttle body?

I've seen many different setup graph with stock head/TB and they are all smooth?
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what plugs are you running? what are they gapped at?
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http://www.summitracing.com/parts/NGK-4554/ gapped at .016, the car is not breaking up.
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how much boost? could be floating the valves
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23lbs, make sense for it to be the valvetrain
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Yeah, you need to upgrade the valvetrain. Stiffer springs and tit. retainers would help a lot. Head makes all the difference after 7k rpm.
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Default Re: Why does my power drop off once it hit 7k rpm? Dyno included

how many psi were you running ?
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What did the tuner say?
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if you keep it up you're going to crack a retainer, so even if thats not THE problem it will be A problem
Old 10-08-2009, 11:35 AM
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Looks like unsteady boost levels, tire spin, cam timing issues etc. there are multiple situations that can cause graphs like that
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Default Re: Why does my power drop off once it hit 7k rpm? Dyno included

Originally Posted by Garage 808 Hatch
Looks like unsteady boost levels, tire spin, cam timing issues etc. there are multiple situations that can cause graphs like that
Definitely not unsteady boost level or tire spin, im going to be putting in some super tech valve spring and see what happen.

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make sure to replace the retainers as well
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Originally Posted by JDogg
make sure to replace the retainers as well
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Here a graph at 15 psi, the drop off is noticeably less

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Default Re: Why does my power drop off once it hit 7k rpm? Dyno included

did you guys try adding 1-2* timing back in above 7k and see if it helps? what is the total timing up at redline out of curiosity
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Default Re: Why does my power drop off once it hit 7k rpm? Dyno included

if you could, logging the afrs would help some. and yea whats timing up top? also are the cams degreed at all?

the graph is interesting to look at. those peaks at 6k and 7k look odd.

what wg and spring is on the setup?
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As far as data logging i dont have that but im pretty sure the a/f ratio were in the 11-11.5 in boost.

this was on stock cam gear, full-race top mount with 44mm tial gate with 14 psi spring. boost plot is solid so it not a fluctuation issue.
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Default Re: Why does my power drop off once it hit 7k rpm? Dyno included

seems odd it would be the valvetrain since it does it at the lower boost level as well.........
i mean you don't see a stock motor's dyno do that at 7k rpm's

seems odd...
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Default Re: Why does my power drop off once it hit 7k rpm? Dyno included

Only other thing that could be a problem is my down pipe, i have a 5 bolt to v band adapter that is 2.25>3 inch but the turbo outlet port is 2.5 but that shouldn't make the graph look like that?
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^^^^ Thats definately a place to start, you should not choke off the outlet of a Turbo.
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Default Re: Why does my power drop off once it hit 7k rpm? Dyno included

does it smoke at all? how good is the turbo? maybe a seal is done for.
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Default Re: Why does my power drop off once it hit 7k rpm? Dyno included

yeah. fix your exhaust.. that could be hurting it at that power level. is your intercooler big enough as well.. maybe the airflow isnt flowing well. could be alot of things.
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