lscivic8.5

Hey guys I have reached the point where it is time to decide which road to take with my 93 del sol and would like some input on which of the 2 choices I should go with.

1) Turbo my current d16z6 with vitara/eagles-garrett t3-clutch,flywheel, etc...

2) H2B with clutch,flywheel,chipped p28, and I-H-E to start.


Thanks ahead of time for any positive input-I hope this is not a repost if it is I am sorry I have not seen it!!!!

93supercoupe

h series for rooom to grow, or d series for the ease, i cant make my mind up either lol


Just hit the middle with a b series.

lscivic8.5

FO REAL!!!!!! Would go B-series but thats what I did with my last car!!!!

CRX_1.8T

turbo the D.

EJ1 wilcox

The turbo d will be cheapest and make the most power.

Easy decision for me.

You can easily make 300whp with a vitara/eagle budget build.

still_slow

Good read on the H2b in the d-sport mag.

GetawayInMoscow

H2B all day over turbo D. If that's not good enough turbo the H

lscivic8.5

Yea I got the may issue of D-sport with the H2B conversion in it-actually it is kinda what reminded me of the H2B swap...

If I do the turbo d which turbo should I use for a safe 300whp weekend warrior-I heard the 15g is crap and that garrett t3 would be good for what I was looking for is this true or do i need a bigger turbo???

lscivic8.5

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cvkid15

turbo d would be easier and cheaper, dont forget with the H2b you still need many things to make the swap work like mounts shift linkage and others

HiProfile

AS LONG AS THE SOHC IS HEALTHY, go sohc boost (caps intended). But for the price of a JDM B18B, you can buy & rebuild a d16 completely stock, and have a boosted motor that will last a good 50k+ miles at 200whp. For the price of a full JDM B16 swap, you can build a sohc for 400whp+.

It depends on what parts you intend to buy as well. For NA swaps, OEM is usually the only way to go (its hard to kill a motor with NA power), but some people are sucked to the $199 ebay turbos and **** manifolds. If you plan on buying real turbo parts, I'd boost the D. You could do 2 sohc builds for the price of a 'stock' H2B.

lscivic8.5

Well if I go turbo d my setup would be:

Eagle rods
Vitara pistons
oem t-belt.oil pump.water pump, head gasket
acl main and rod bearings
arp headstuds
dsm 450 injectors
clutch masters or equal brand clutch
11lb flywheel
chipped p28
garrett T3 and all other turbo kit components thought about a kit from (treadstoneperformance.com)
Stock fuel pump?????

Am I missing anything


On the H2B subject I know I need

b-series del sol shift linkage
b-series axles
H2B kit with motor mounts and flywheel
alternator bracket
H22a
b-series tranny

It just seems to me that the H2B would be easier becuz of the shorter parts list-correct me if I am wrong on this!!!!

boosted92

Just did the super-budget Vitara setup on a buddies car. I love it personally, it runs great and makes a lot of power. He's running a T3/TO4E 50-trim though, but it feels like a solid ~330 WHP car. I would go turbo D over a stock H-series any day. You'll have a motor that can take 400+ WHP with just a turbo/injector/clutch upgrade, beats a N/A setup anyday.

GetawayInMoscow

Yeah I'd like to see a turbo D making 400whp that is not on C16.

If you have the funds for an H2B, you will have the funds to make it faster down the line. Sure the turbo D works, but they don't make that good of power.

Before anyone brings any but X D made Y hp on Z dyno, STFU. That same set up on a B or H series would net probably atleast 50% more HP.

lscivic8.5

Well I have priced both setups and here is what I came up with...

H2B Rough estimates
H22a $1,000
B16 tranny 900
H2B kit with flywheel n motor mounts 1,300
B series axles 125
B series shift linkage 75
Good clutch 350
Alternator bracket ??
Labor 500
Total hope Im not forgetting anything $4250

Turbo d
Build motor stock head/intake mani $1,575
with vitara/eagle/arp head studs new
tranny and clutch n flywheel
Treadstone turbo kit
WITH Turbonetics T3/T4 turbo 1,900 shipped-OR-
WITH Garrett T3 turbo -1,750 ahipped
tune and labor 650
Total 4,125 with Turbonetics T3/T4
3,975 with Garrett T3

spoolin turbo s

i woud go with the D16 in a del sol an H will really mess with the weight toward the fron on a very small car
and you could make a better setup than the treadstone"KIT" if you just pieced it all together to save money easily

how much power do you want? and when do you want to see your FULL boost?

for less than 300 whp t3 super 60......................for a MAX of 350-400 and easily capible of 300 just with more lag than the S60 50 trim .48 hotside for 350 or less and fast spool .63 hot side for 350-400 spools about 500-800 rpm slower than the .48

hope this helps

boosted92

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by GetawayInMoscow &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Yeah I'd like to see a turbo D making 400whp that is not on C16.

If you have the funds for an H2B, you will have the funds to make it faster down the line. Sure the turbo D works, but they don't make that good of power.

Before anyone brings any but X D made Y hp on Z dyno, STFU. That same set up on a B or H series would net probably atleast 50% more HP.</TD></TR></TABLE>

Did I ever say he'd have a 400+ WHP pump gas D-series? I said he'll have a motor that can TAKE 400+ WHP with a few simple upgrades from a basic setup.

And Kelly. made 440 WHP on a simple D-series setup with a 57-trim and 100 octane, so you're not going to need C16. A mix of pump/race gas, lower octane (read: cheaper and more available) unleaded race gas, or even pump gas + meth could get you to over 400 on a D.

lscivic8.5

I am really not sure about turbo specs but as a noob to forced induction I would say I would want to be in full boost @ 4500 rpm?????

Oh and why do turbo retailers not put the specs of the turbos they sell in the item description?????--or are all T3 turbos the same and all T3/T4 turbos the same???
Guess I need to search turbo specs and what the different trims mean!!!

GetawayInMoscow

Here are more reasons to go H2B.

1) The H-series heads flow almost as well as the K-series heads (way better than B heads)

2) The B-series trannies are the best trannies of all, D, B, H, K

3) The D-series heads are the WORST flowing of all the above mentioned motors, and the trannies are on par with the H-series trannies (which you won't be using).

4) There is no doubt in my mind you will be running 13's in an H2B car, you would also probably be running the same in a turbo D.

5) If you ever want to sell it, no one wants that D-series ****, but you will be able to sell your H/B stuff instantly.

lscivic8.5

Good Points!!!!!

lscivic8.5

Leanin toward Turbo D right now-with the Garrett T3 quick spool from Treadstone Performance.com!!!! ??????


Modified by lscivic8.5 at 7:13 PM 4/6/2007

lscivic8.5

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Dirtfall

I also got the D sport mag. I wanted h2b so bad but then i flipped threw the pages and saw the 600hp b series turbo and that was enough to change my mind back to turboing a 2Liter B. I would go h2b in your case. I hate having no torque for daily driving with my b16.

93supercoupe

Im not completely sure that H series heads out flow a stock B Vtec head.

Top Ramen

If it is a daily driver, the choice is obvious - go with a turbo D. If it is tuned correctly, you get all of the power you need plus it will get stock (or better) gas milage on the freeway when you are off boost. No contest.