quik sol

alright, i been in the planning stages of putting together all my parts for my turbo build...i was gonna go stock sleeves and stock head. But if I can grab 350-375whp out of my car with stock sleeves...spend the 700 bucks, have golden eagle sleeve the block...and do 550whp....its sooo tempting...But, if I do the sleeving it will set me back 3 months...because for all the other parts, I have cash in hang, just waiting til I finalize everything.

Well basically...on a turbo build (where ya did atleast rods and pistons on). What made you decide to sleeve or not to sleeve...and if you didnt sleeve do you regret it?

eddyboy

Just remember your goals, it will tell you what to do.

My reason for going with stock sleeves is this.
I'm not trying to run 10 sec quarter miles. I simply wanted a fast and reliable street car at a reasonable price. Alot of people keep saying "FAST, CHEAP, RELIABLE, pick two" While this statement is mostly true, I did my best to get the best balance of all three. Sure I'm not the fastest out there but i'll have enough power to beat most of the cars i will encounter on the street. And I didn't spend a arm and a leg to get it done. Remember you need more then just sleeves to make 500+ hp.

Bigger Injectors, bigger IC, Bigger turbo, stronger axles,Cams, headwork and etc. All that **** cost $$$. You can easily speed 16k+ on just performance parts not including the cost of the car. Its so much easier and cheaper to build a 300hp vs 500hp car.

Like I said before it all depends on your goals.
GL on your project

BoOsTiN Dc2

i would go with the sleeves. i did a build up without sleeves and im regretting it. its still a fast car but you will want more like me. im gonna rebuild another motor just to sleeve it so i can boost more.

0VisualAutoMotoring

When you blow your motor or crack your stock sleeves, but if you want to do it right the first time, get it sleeved. It will take all your worries away.

Plus there are manufactures now like Golden Eagle, that offer high quality sleeves and installs and a budget price, It would be safe to say why not?

DaX

iTrader: (1)

I'm rolling on stock sleeves for the time being. I have 3 LS motors, so eventually, one of them will get sleeves for a super crazy setup. Really money is the issue right now.

Flr Power

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Hybrid-Performance.com &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">When you blow your motor or crack your stock sleeves, but if you want to do it right the first time, get it sleeved. It will take all your worries away.

Plus there are manufactures now like Golden Eagle, that offer high quality sleeves and installs and a budget price, It would be safe to say why not?</TD></TR></TABLE>

You will crack a sleeved block if the tune is bad. (Too much timing)

m R g S r

My goals were 500whp with stock sleeves, but I decided to sleeve anyway, and they are still the same, well maybe up to around 600 now. . .. But I think I did it for extra insurance. . .

jnet

I've never heard of it taking 3 months for a sleeve (maybe at Golden Eagle?). At Darton it only takes 3 weeks usually.

Rod.

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i did it for that reason

0ERL Performance

It takes us and Darton only 5 to 7 working days for turn around on just sleeving and honing and on sleeving and a full assembly around 10 to 14 working days.

MooreBoost

D series blocks are a dime a dozen, crack a sleeve, swap it out, etc etc etc.

TurboJesse

its takes so much more than sleeves to have a reliable 550whp than a 400whp car. Between the $900 LSD, $1300 clutch, $600 axles, etc a 500+ hp car will need..

siblues

iTrader: (1)

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by jnet &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I've never heard of it taking 3 months for a sleeve (maybe at Golden Eagle?). At Darton it only takes 3 weeks usually.</TD></TR></TABLE>
I think he meant that it would take him three more months of saving to get it sleeved and in my opinion with the really competitive prices in sleaving these days I would just sleeve it and sleep better at night knowing its gonna take that much more to break it. Just my .02

m R g S r

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Mpir3 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">its takes so much more than sleeves to have a reliable 550whp than a 400whp car. Between the $900 LSD, $1300 clutch, $600 axles, etc a 500+ hp car will need..</TD></TR></TABLE>

true, but im sitll young and stupid, so i will still be shooting for 600 until something breaks. At least ot wont be my motor

DRIVENRacing

it depends on the money.. yuou can make enough power on stock sleves to run 10s... its just traction and suspension become issues once you start going to the low numbers... sleves of course is great insurance, and one thing you can cross out from your "worry" list

quik sol

thanks for everyones replies. I havnt totally decided yet but this helps alot.

Also I know how much it will cost to get 500whp, hell most of the stuff I need is able to do it. I am already gonna run a quaife in either build, same with a good clutch,....axles....autozone

G"UNIT

I only sleeved mine for the insurance of not cracking a sleeve, but endstead it ran lean and melted a piston. Had sooo much money in it... That is a long story short. BUT it is fixed and ready to go back in. If you only want 400whp I wouldnt sleeve it. But if you want more do it. You have to pay to play..

X-Mazda 3 Racer

Sleeving is insurance for all the other $ you spend on the motor. ON stock sleeves, with one wrong tune, BANG! All that work and money and you have to start over. Yo can spen a little more now, or a lot more later, that is my opinion. We turn sleeve jobs around in about 7 working days and can build a motor to your specs and supply all the parts needed. Give us a call (909) 592 - 4311 ext. 104 or Sales@goldeneaglemfg.com

PrettyLude

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me 2, i went with bensons

ELSpool

From the D series camp, its a big challenge to hit 300whp on pump gas and 400whp will need alot more boost than the big brother B. My biggest reason also is the added security of a step deck as D-series are prone to leaking HG's as boost/power levels increase.

careawholelot

i made the mistake the first time and now doing it right the 2nd. wish i woulda done it right the first time and i woulda saved myself some money.

RyanEJ8

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by GoldenEagleMfg.com &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Sleeving is insurance for all the other $ you spend on the motor. ON stock sleeves, with one wrong tune, BANG! All that work and money and you have to start over. Yo can spen a little more now, or a lot more later, that is my opinion. We turn sleeve jobs around in about 7 working days and can build a motor to your specs and supply all the parts needed. Give us a call (909) 592 - 4311 ext. 104 or Sales@goldeneaglemfg.com </TD></TR></TABLE>

SLEEVED block + wrong tune also = BANG!

IMHO, sleeves are really worth it until you get to a big boost setup with well over 400whp.

VTC_CiViC

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SLEEVED block + wrong tune also = BANG!

IMHO, sleeves are really worth it until you get to a big boost setup with well over 400whp.</TD></TR></TABLE>

Yea that's the reality of it. Aftermarket sleeves are strong absolutley, but they aren't impervious to damage either. Stock sleeves are alot stronger than most people give them credit for, for 400whp personally I just can't see a well tuned motor spliting a sleeve without there being some kind of pre-existing condition.

Unless of course this is a B20 we're talking about, in which case making a sudden left turn on a Thursday can crack a sleeve