civic_saints1

Well my friend is sellin me his 14g turbo, Im under a budget of 2500 bucks, that includes, something to tune with/hondata s200, the cost of tuning, forged rods, turbo pistons, head studs, walbro 255 fuel pump, and well the turbo setup itself. What can you guys tell me about the 14g turbo if my goal to reach by the end of this summer is now 250whp,oh and I definately wanna keep my ac and power steering regardless!! ?

boostedcivicsir

thats about all you will be able to do with that turbo.

Bailhatch

they sell fast on ebay

Boostdc4

its really only good for a D series
what did u plan on running it in

DecentCivicZ6

hell, thats small for a d series now a days..lol but using CROME for fuel managment will cut cost down a nice bit over Hondata.

civic_saints1

Yeah, in my d16Y8? Think it'll be good enough for that?Or how will a TDOH5 perform?Better than the 14g?

Finest

There's no such thing as a "14g". But there are "14b's".

14b's are stock on 90-92 DSM's. Good for around 240-250whp. But you'll need to push some serious pressures (20+psi) to get that.

For a HMT setup, it'll work. There are a few guys making a solid 200whp on them.

BTW, 14b's are all TD05h. The "TD05h" designates the exhaust housing size. The "14b" is the compressor wheel size. The larger 16G turbo has a larger compressor wheel, but same exhaust side as the 14b.

JrCRXHF

It is a good little turbo. I would try and find a used EVO 3 16g it well flow alot more then the 14b but look the same on the out side there are guys that make 400whp with this small turbo but it is at crazy amount of boost. I have a 16g on my Laser AWD. Just make sure the EVo 3 is not the china one that everyone sells really cheap new the turbo is junk and well die quick.

The 14b i took off my dsm lasted 180,000 miles and was still fine when i took it off.

TheShodan

iTrader: (14)

you mean 14b. There is a 14g. but that is EXTREMLY RARE . For 1500, save a bit more and wait, so you can get 250whp. Save, learn, and get what you need.

Damn Finest, you posted just before I did..


Modified by TheShodan at 6:02 PM 7/16/2007

sigmiester

the 14b is an alright turbo very small spools fast but it is hard to make 200+ whp with them like stated. the 16g is a better turbo and the Big 16g is from the evo, but has more lag. the 14g is from a starion or conquest. Personally i would look for a Big 16g, i have the small 16g in my car and it will get to 300 whp easily which is my goal but with the Big 16g u can have a turbo that doesnt have to work as hard to make power. i believe the Big 16g comes in the tdo6 housing just a bit bigger.... but in ur case i would wait on everything. 2500 is not enough money to do it right. if u want to do something now though i would do the forged pistons and rods so that way u can at least still drive ur car and then save more money. dont go cheap on anything u will pay for it later.

MidShipCivic

I've seen GST's dyno 280whp on the turbo w/ a damn AFC this is not magic and mirrors.

Get tuned and intercooled you'll be doing the same if you wish.

civic_saints1

Alright thanx, wow you guys are really helping me out, I appreciate this alot, I mean this website is to learn, right?Not to get bitched at, like Ive seen some other noobs get bitched at,hardcore!! What else can you guys reccommend me? I liked the, get forged pistons and rods for now, and save and wait for now and get the rest later.

DecentCivicZ6

just get an ebay turbo, and all the smackpeople talk about them, just check this out,
https://honda-tech.com/zerothread/2035990 << 10sec D series with ebay turbo parts.


Modified by DecentCivicZ6 at 10:13 PM 7/16/2007

CoreyR

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by DecentCivicZ6 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">just get an ebay turbo, and all the smackpeople talk about them, just check this out,
https://honda-tech.com/zerothread/2035990 &lt;&lt; 10sec D series with ALL EBAY parts.</TD></TR></TABLE>

dont be a retard. the only ebay **** on that car is the turbo and the fmic.

PrecisionH23a

Go with a t3/t04e.

You may want to look into running the s100b if you are looking to save a bit of money.

DecentCivicZ6

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by CoreyR &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

dont be a retard. the only ebay **** on that car is the turbo and the fmic.</TD></TR></TABLE>

yes I see, i edited my post, lol. Still people hate on ebay turbos..they are CHEAP..and last atleast a year....id rather have one of those than a 14b or 16b whatever those small turbos are. haha, and Crome chipped/tuned ecu.

CoreyR

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by DecentCivicZ6 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

yes I see, i edited my post, lol. Still people hate on ebay turbos..they are CHEAP..and last atleast a year....id rather have one of those than a 14b or 16b whatever those small turbos are. haha, and Crome chipped/tuned ecu. </TD></TR></TABLE>

dont get me wrong i would use an ebay turbo on a budget d series car but thats about it. they dont ALL last that long. i know people who have smoked them in less the 500 miles

JrCRXHF

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by sigmiester &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">the 14b is an alright turbo very small spools fast but it is hard to make 200+ whp with them like stated. the 16g is a better turbo and the Big 16g is from the evo, but has more lag. the 14g is from a starion or conquest. Personally i would look for a Big 16g, i have the small 16g in my car and it will get to 300 whp easily which is my goal but with the Big 16g u can have a turbo that doesnt have to work as hard to make power. i believe the Big 16g comes in the tdo6 housing just a bit bigger.... but in ur case i would wait on everything. 2500 is not enough money to do it right. if u want to do something now though i would do the forged pistons and rods so that way u can at least still drive ur car and then save more money. dont go cheap on anything u will pay for it later. </TD></TR></TABLE>

The big 16G and the EVO 3 16g are different but close to the same turbo they are all TD05h turbo's and look the same when you have the inlet covered. The big 16g is good for around 350whp on a DSM and the EVO 3 has been known to make 400whp.

just a little different guts in the same package.

CoreyR

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by JrCRXHF &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

The big 16G and the EVO 3 16g are different but close to the same turbo they are all TD05h turbo's and look the same when you have the inlet covered. The big 16g is good for around 350whp on a DSM and the EVO 3 has been known to make 400whp.

just a little different guts in the same package. </TD></TR></TABLE>

typical DSM idiot. DSMs dont make 400WHP on an evo 3 and sure as **** dont make 350 on a B16G. stop falliing into the hype.

TheShodan

iTrader: (14)

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by sigmiester &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">the 14b is an alright turbo very small spools fast but it is hard to make 200+ whp with them like stated. the 16g is a better turbo and the Big 16g is from the evo, but has more lag. the 14g is from a starion or conquest. Personally i would look for a Big 16g, i have the small 16g in my car and it will get to 300 whp easily which is my goal but with the Big 16g u can have a turbo that doesnt have to work as hard to make power. i believe the Big 16g comes in the tdo6 housing just a bit bigger.... but in ur case i would wait on everything. 2500 is not enough money to do it right. if u want to do something now though i would do the forged pistons and rods so that way u can at least still drive ur car and then save more money. dont go cheap on anything u will pay for it later. </TD></TR></TABLE>

Gentleman, please you have to stop comparing the 4G63 powerplant with the HONDA powerplant. Unfortunately, when the subject of the smaller used 14b, 16g, and T25 eclipse and other DSM turbos come up, there's always a post in which some DSM was able to use the turbo to make XX amount of hp to show that it can be done. Simply because they are both 4 cylinder engines doesn't mean that they share the same characteristics. Especially when the 14b and 16g turbochargers are used more in a powerband range that shows its most effectiveness in lower rpm bands compared to many of the honda engines including the b18b. Simply put, with static compressions at 7.8:1 and 8.5:1 on these DSM engines (and yes, I've owned SEVERAL DSMs), they just don't share the same behavior as the Honda engine. T3/T4 configurations (there's over 20 of them with that designation) can work a bit better when the right wheel combinations are used depending upon engine. Take a look around, and use your research on specifically the Honda engine that you currently own. That way, you can ensure that you have a correct turbo to work with your needs, and not just "freebies" that you receive. It's good that you're asking these questions now, and not putting on the wrong turbo.

1cpu

i have a brand new mitsu te04h with internal wastegate if your looking make me and offer will let it go cheap

Kyle R

iTrader: (1)

It is possible to make 380-400whp with an E3-16g, but it would take TONS of boost (26+psi) and very aggressive timing (definately need meth injection).

The td05-14b will be good for 250ish whp like everyone else said, but it completely falls on its face at higher rpms.

JrCRXHF

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by CoreyR &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

typical DSM idiot. DSMs dont make 400WHP on an evo 3 and sure as **** dont make 350 on a B16G. stop falliing into the hype. </TD></TR></TABLE> The 350hp and 400hp are also off slow boy racing sight u might want to tell them they are wrong and false advertising

"Idiot" i have a DSM 1g awd and a turbo honda i have seen dyno sheets and also seen time slips that well support it on a DSM. The B18 and the 4g63 are two really different motors. Even the 4g63 in my DSM vs the 4g63 in my EVO are really different motors in terms of power band.

This does not mean that a honda motor well make 400hp. Maybe it would if it was built and that was his goal. When they make 400whp it is on 30+psi letting the turbo tapper back to whatever it can put out. A stock honda motor will not last long if at all at 30+ psi from a EVO 3

Attached are some dyno graphs (oh by the way do you have a DSM or even a EVO 3 16g)


"Here is one made last weekend on e-85 on a stock 1g engine minus cams, FMIC, and fuel mods."


The evo3 will do 42.5 lbs/min of air

here is the mod list for the graph above.
"I tend to disagree. All I have fuel wise is a 255HP, Aeromotive FPR, and then 850's and there was no leaning out even at redline on the 402hp pull. That and I don't believe ABEL would have chanced my motor just to make the 400whp.

Anyway, as far as the mods on my car go (If you haven't noticed the above dyno run {402 whp on E85} is my car). Fuel mods were already posted, I've got a eBay FMIC (24x7x2.7 core size), 2.5" intercooler pipes, full 3" exhaust, DNP Tubular manifold, Ported EVO3 (of course), DSMLink, MAF-T, and FP2's. Other than the FP2's the block is pretty much stock. It has ARP rod bolts and head studs, and then total seal piston rings. Other than that, stock 16x,xxx mile rods and pistons."


Modified by JrCRXHF at 9:27 AM 7/18/2007

Schister66

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by TheShodan &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

<FONT SIZE="1.5">Gentleman, please you have to stop comparing the 4G63 powerplant with the HONDA powerplant. Unfortunately, when the subject of the smaller used 14b, 16g, and T25 eclipse and other DSM turbos come up, there's always a post in which some DSM was able to use the turbo to make XX amount of hp to show that it can be done. Simply because they are both 4 cylinder engines doesn't mean that they share the same characteristics. Especially when the 14b and 16g turbochargers are used more in a powerband range that shows its most effectiveness in lower rpm bands compared to many of the honda engines including the b18b. Simply put, with static compressions at 7.8:1 and 8.5:1 on these DSM engines (and yes, I've owned SEVERAL DSMs), they just don't share the same behavior as the Honda engine. T3/T4 configurations (there's over 20 of them with that designation) can work a bit better when the right wheel combinations are used depending upon engine. Take a look around, and use your research on specifically the Honda engine that you currently own. That way, you can ensure that you have a correct turbo to work with your needs, and not just "freebies" that you receive. It's good that you're asking these questions now, and not putting on the wrong turbo.</FONT></TD></TR></TABLE>

I really hope you guys are paying attention to posts like this and not just ignorantly passing by....

Good info Mac

MidShipCivic

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by CoreyR &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

typical DSM idiot. DSMs dont make 400WHP on an evo 3 and sure as **** dont make 350 on a B16G. stop falliing into the hype. </TD></TR></TABLE>

Welp reason he's saying thats because ITS TRUE.

http://www.slowboyracing.com/d...t.JPG