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Old 11-18-2003, 09:59 AM
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Default what is the best way to measure air/fuel?

right now i have an autometer air/fuel gauge which i know isn't the most accurate but what is the best reasonalbly priced way to measure the exhaust gas temps???
what are you running in your particular set-ups? what types come with their own 02 sensors? thanks, Corey
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Default Re: what is the best way to measure air/fuel? (B17aTURBO)

EGT guage for around $150 or you could spring for a wideband for $300

personally I would go for the wideband (AEM or techedge)

In Jan. AEM is releasing the wideband in the form of the autometer guage with the controller built in, So im waiting for that....and money.
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Default Re: what is the best way to measure air/fuel? (B17aTURBO)

Innovative has a $350 wideband O2 kit including the actual O2.. can't beat that for the price.
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Default Re: what is the best way to measure air/fuel? (VTC_CiViC)

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by VTC_CiViC &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Innovative has a $350 wideband O2 kit including the actual O2.. can't beat that for the price. </TD></TR></TABLE>
Considering dumping my Tech Edge 1.5 for one. A friend has the Innovative unit, I'm waiting for him to install it so I can check it out first hand.
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Default Re: what is the best way to measure air/fuel? (Foozball26)

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Foozball26 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">EGT guage for around $150 or you could spring for a wideband for $300

personally I would go for the wideband (AEM or techedge)

In Jan. AEM is releasing the wideband in the form of the autometer guage with the controller built in, So im waiting for that....and money.</TD></TR></TABLE>

Just to clarify....and not to spread misinformation AEM is not selling a gauge that is "int he form of" an autometer af gauge. It simply has a radial type of display along with numeral value.

To answer the original posters question.
Best way is an aftermarket afr setup like FJO, Motec, AEM--their display isnt available yet so unless you run any type of standalone it will do you no good.
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Default Re: what is the best way to measure air/fuel? (93LSivic)

so for right now then what is my best option until i can get a standalone? i will get the hondata once my block is complete but for now i am running the vafc with the fmu 440's and inline fuelpump...what can i make sure that im safe with?
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by 93LSivic &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

Just to clarify....and not to spread misinformation AEM is not selling a gauge that is "int he form of" an autometer af gauge. It simply has a radial type of display along with numeral value.</TD></TR></TABLE>

its not the exact gauge it just looks similar to it. hence a simlar "form"

so keep your to yourself dude
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Default Re: what is the best way to measure air/fuel? (Foozball26)

I picked up a FJO WB with display...very nice toy.
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I have the Techedge 1.5 and am not all that wild about it. The only thing I really don't like is that you have to adjust it with little rotary ***** and kind of worry that they will end up going out of calibratioin with it staying in the car all the time.
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I got a Brand New FJO for sale... check out my sign
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Ricey McRicerton &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I have the Techedge 1.5 and am not all that wild about it. The only thing I really don't like is that you have to adjust it with little rotary ***** and kind of worry that they will end up going out of calibratioin with it staying in the car all the time. </TD></TR></TABLE>
That's one of my major concerns with the 1.5. I've also had quite a bit of trouble logging rpm with the 1.5, which has been very annoying.
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Default Re: what is the best way to measure air/fuel? (sharkcohen)

These guys sell the FJO wideband tuning and datalogging kit. The prices on their website are in Canadian.

Here is a link to their standalone section:
http://www.eurospeed.ca/peformance/dta.htm

Here is a link to their engine management section where you can find the FJO kit:
http://www.eurospeed.ca/peformance/16vem.htm

or

http://www.eurospeed.ca/peformance/kwb0130.htm for info
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Default Re: what is the best way to measure air/fuel? (B16A1-EF9)

Here is a thread I did on widebands

https://honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=635792

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Default Re: what is the best way to measure air/fuel? (B17aTURBO)

I have a PLX w/b and a buddy has their kit that converts the AutoMeter a/f to a true wideband display. It displays each LED = 0.5 difference a/f...


http://plxdevices.com/

finally w/b's prices are getting resonable, Thanks VW..

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Default Re: what is the best way to measure air/fuel? (VTC_CiViC)

i got it, works dope<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by VTC_CiViC &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Innovative has a $350 wideband O2 kit including the actual O2.. can't beat that for the price. </TD></TR></TABLE>
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Default Re: what is the best way to measure air/fuel? (double0Si)

I like the PLX idea, although I would want to change some of the green bulbs to yellow or red

B/C if you want a 11.5 as the a/f ratio then it might be hard to see the difference since 11.5 and like 13.5 have the same color bulb.

make sense?
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by PHiZ &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Here is a thread I did on widebands

https://honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=635792

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^^^Very helpful thread.
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Default Re: what is the best way to measure air/fuel? (double0Si)

the plx converter still uses a narrow band sensor right? are they as accurate as a true wideband?
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Default Re: what is the best way to measure air/fuel? (Foozball26)

Yeah, I have the 4 digit display in my dash...



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Default Re: what is the best way to measure air/fuel? (Ricey McRicerton)

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Ricey McRicerton &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I have the Techedge 1.5 and am not all that wild about it. The only thing I really don't like is that you have to adjust it with little rotary ***** and kind of worry that they will end up going out of calibratioin with it staying in the car all the time. </TD></TR></TABLE>
The techedge 2.0 kit is a huge step forward. Its 100% software controlled, and from my experience <u>very</u> acurate. Also, you can use a $20 palm to datalog.
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