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miahjera04 04-06-2016 09:45 PM

Water/meth kit plus q16? HELP
 
Currently have a turbo ls/v setup on 2 tunes. Makes 427whp on 93 and 557whp on q16. Since q16 is $15/gallon I've been debating on adding a 5gal aem water/meth kit to the setup. Both tunes are plenty safe for the car, thinking the added aem kit will allow for a bit more boost while staying "safe"... thinkin...500whp on 93+meth. My main question/concern is will the meth act the same way with the q16? As far as iat's/afr's go? Don't know if meth serves any purpose being mixed with that fuel... if it has beneficial effects like it would with pump gas, thinkin of shooting for a safe tune pushing 600whp on the q16+meth. Any and all insight greatly appreciated.

Edit: the whole reason 4 asking is b/c I'd rather run the 93/meth setup more and save some $, and only using the q16 for track or racing in Mexico w/$ involved. But don't wanna spend $500 for the kit plus $ for retune if it's essentially not really worth it

TheShodan 04-07-2016 06:49 AM

Re: Water/meth kit plus q16? HELP
 
Short answer, yes.. but closer to c16, or C110 depending upon methanol mixture type.

*waiting on sometime with E85 sheeple solution to come in*

LightningTeg 04-07-2016 08:45 AM

Re: Water/meth kit plus q16? HELP
 
E85 yo.

miahjera04 04-07-2016 10:10 AM

Re: Water/meth kit plus q16? HELP
 
I have to drive 30+ min to get e85, and that gas station has been known to have shitty fuel... so no thanks. :)

miahjera04 04-07-2016 10:11 AM

Re: Water/meth kit plus q16? HELP
 

Originally Posted by TheShodan (Post 50851736)
Short answer, yes.. but closer to c16, or C110 depending upon methanol mixture type.

*waiting on sometime with E85 sheeple solution to come in*

I'm not really following, what do u mean closers to c16,c110

Schister66 04-07-2016 10:41 AM

Re: Water/meth kit plus q16? HELP
 

Originally Posted by TheShodan (Post 50851736)
*waiting on sometime with E85 sheeple solution to come in*

You're just a hater, Mac. Time to jump on the corn bandwagon ;)

Dark_Teg 04-07-2016 11:11 AM

Re: Water/meth kit plus q16? HELP
 
I wish I could jump on the bandwagon. E85 is 100 miles away from me and shipping by the drum brings the price pretty close to C16.

TheShodan 04-07-2016 07:35 PM

Re: Water/meth kit plus q16? HELP
 

Originally Posted by Schister66 (Post 50852310)
You're just a hater, Mac. Time to jump on the corn bandwagon ;)

Yeah. That's what it is. . :)

mtber 04-07-2016 07:53 PM

Re: Water/meth kit plus q16? HELP
 

Originally Posted by miahjera04 (Post 50851386)
Currently have a turbo ls/v setup on 2 tunes. Makes 427whp on 93 and 557whp on q16. Since q16 is $15/gallon I've been debating on adding a 5gal aem water/meth kit to the setup. Both tunes are plenty safe for the car, thinking the added aem kit will allow for a bit more boost while staying "safe"... thinkin...500whp on 93+meth. My main question/concern is will the meth act the same way with the q16? As far as iat's/afr's go? Don't know if meth serves any purpose being mixed with that fuel... if it has beneficial effects like it would with pump gas, thinkin of shooting for a safe tune pushing 600whp on the q16+meth. Any and all insight greatly appreciated.

Edit: the whole reason 4 asking is b/c I'd rather run the 93/meth setup more and save some $, and only using the q16 for track or racing in Mexico w/$ involved. But don't wanna spend $500 for the kit plus $ for retune if it's essentially not really worth it

You will be able to make the same 550 whp you are making on c16 with 93octane + a meth kit properly setup & spraying 100% m1, m3 or m5

You will need a retune. You will want to properly setup the kit & fail safes etc.

FYI you can make well over 600whp on q16 without meth & you can make close to 500 whp on a properly setup & tuned turbo bseries on 93 octane.

miahjera04 04-07-2016 07:55 PM

Re: Water/meth kit plus q16? HELP
 

Originally Posted by mtber (Post 50853026)
You will be able to make the same 550 whp you are making on c16 with 93octane + a meth kit properly setup & spraying 100% m1, m3 or m5

You will need a retune. You will want to properly setup the kit & fail safes etc.

Ok I figured as much. My main question though was asking about adding meth to the Q16

TheShodan 04-07-2016 08:02 PM

Re: Water/meth kit plus q16? HELP
 

Originally Posted by miahjera04 (Post 50853027)
Ok I figured as much. My main question though was asking about adding meth to the Q16

There's no point in doing that. The point is to have reasonable knock resistance. You have all the corrosive effects of Q16, and only half the benefits. . You don't stack all the benefit together.

miahjera04 04-07-2016 08:38 PM

Re: Water/meth kit plus q16? HELP
 

Originally Posted by TheShodan (Post 50853032)
There's no point in doing that. The point is to have reasonable knock resistance. You have all the corrosive effects of Q16, and only half the benefits. . You don't stack all the benefit together.

Ok, I'll leave the setup alone for now then... keep buying the q16 when I want the extra power.thanks


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