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Re: water/air intercooler setups post um
Water/air intercoolers are only really beneficial on race only apps where you can have an ice box to super cool the water going to the intercooler. On a street car, a good air/air intercooler is the better way to go.
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Re: water/air intercooler setups post um
Well 1st we built this one.
Then when we figured out they worked well we built this one for a diesel.
By this time we were hooked so we started building this one.
We also got sidetracked when someone asked us to build a freaky 8 core unit for a 50psi compound turbo diesel (work still in progress)
Then we decided that "more is never enough" so we started this 12 core version as well, for a mate of mine going into a 1952 Ford Mercury currently with a Vortech supercharged LS1 but it will probably end up as a twin turbo unit.
Regards Andrew from Oz.
Then when we figured out they worked well we built this one for a diesel.
By this time we were hooked so we started building this one.
We also got sidetracked when someone asked us to build a freaky 8 core unit for a 50psi compound turbo diesel (work still in progress)
Then we decided that "more is never enough" so we started this 12 core version as well, for a mate of mine going into a 1952 Ford Mercury currently with a Vortech supercharged LS1 but it will probably end up as a twin turbo unit.
Regards Andrew from Oz.
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Re: water/air intercooler setups post um
A properly designed A2W setup is a GREAT for a street driven car and will provide more stable intake temperatures than ANY A2A arrangement without the risk of heat soak.
That being said there are pro's and con's to each system, learn them, know them, decide which one meets your goals... and please do not post just for the sake of it or based on something you have heard and are just parroting.
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Re: water/air intercooler setups post um
most of the FI engines (all but the 111,271 4 cylinders) in Mercedes lineup rock at least single A2W, most have dual coolers with twin heat exchangers/radiators. I absolutely love the SL65, pure sex.
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Re: water/air intercooler setups post um
GRAND CHAMP i like your setup do you run a air temp gauge? i wanna see what ice water temps are compared to warmer water?
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Re: water/air intercooler setups post um
Most temp gauges don't offer fast enough response, even for a 4th gear pull. The best luck will be had with a custom setup, such as a datalogger (SSI-4) and a very low mass thermistor directly exposed.
Those Laminova setups lool pimp, except for the LS1 Merc. Well the IC looks good, but I mean the rims. Dubs will always look like a accident with the CNC programming in my world
I just somehow found an (old?) thread somewhere about some basketball player's sister who poured coolant into the oil filler on that same engine. The tech posted it, and said the quote was $80k just for the MOTOR, no tax, labor, etc. My point is MB is not a good indicator on how well a device can work. If I thought like that company, I'd spend $10k for a single sidemount air to air IC, and it would work better than any number of Laminova a2w cores. MB is for suckers IMO, and regarding their last Le Mans cars - people who want to fly.
Those Laminova setups lool pimp, except for the LS1 Merc. Well the IC looks good, but I mean the rims. Dubs will always look like a accident with the CNC programming in my world
I just somehow found an (old?) thread somewhere about some basketball player's sister who poured coolant into the oil filler on that same engine. The tech posted it, and said the quote was $80k just for the MOTOR, no tax, labor, etc. My point is MB is not a good indicator on how well a device can work. If I thought like that company, I'd spend $10k for a single sidemount air to air IC, and it would work better than any number of Laminova a2w cores. MB is for suckers IMO, and regarding their last Le Mans cars - people who want to fly.
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Re: water/air intercooler setups post um
"MB is for suckers IMO"
haha, I couldnt agree more. just saying theyre often efficiently used in daily driven applications. I've been a tech. at MB for going on three years now, and have driven my fair share of 65's. Totally awesome in every respect. Dynamometer mode is INSANE!! haha. Just not worth the coin IMO. We call them the $1000 cars, every time theyre in expect $1000+. I would lease one for a year and drive the **** out of it. haha
garage16.ca ; youre setup is dope! any times/mphs?
haha, I couldnt agree more. just saying theyre often efficiently used in daily driven applications. I've been a tech. at MB for going on three years now, and have driven my fair share of 65's. Totally awesome in every respect. Dynamometer mode is INSANE!! haha. Just not worth the coin IMO. We call them the $1000 cars, every time theyre in expect $1000+. I would lease one for a year and drive the **** out of it. haha
garage16.ca ; youre setup is dope! any times/mphs?
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Re: water/air intercooler setups post um
any water to air setups in stock chassi street cars? (like AFI blue integra)..im looking to do it in my DD integra!...will post my pics in few months lol
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Re: water/air intercooler setups post um
theres a few vw/audi guys using them because you cut the inter cooler piping to about 2-3ft long so it really helps the spool also but no way would i do it without a heat exchanger to keep the water cool
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Re: water/air intercooler setups post um
just got it running yesterday!
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Re: water/air intercooler setups post um
I just somehow found an (old?) thread somewhere about some basketball player's sister who poured coolant into the oil filler on that same engine. The tech posted it, and said the quote was $80k just for the MOTOR, no tax, labor, etc. My point is MB is not a good indicator on how well a device can work. If I thought like that company, I'd spend $10k for a single sidemount air to air IC, and it would work better than any number of Laminova a2w cores. MB is for suckers IMO, and regarding their last Le Mans cars - people who want to fly.
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Re: water/air intercooler setups post um
Heres the setup I built for a Turbo Lotus
Here is a set up I did for a supercharged Elise
And another a/w setup on a supercharged Elise
Here is a set up I did for a supercharged Elise
And another a/w setup on a supercharged Elise
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Wow...i've never really seen a lot of good A/W intercooler setups, but this thread is full of them. Keep up the good work
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Re: water/air intercooler setups post um
post more pics people! peferably setups in acura,honda chassi since this is honda-tech!
but still respect great fab./setups in other vehicals..
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Re: water/air intercooler setups post um
My stock...
...ish daily driver.
17psi through a little 14b, intercooler holds up just fine in the day to day goings.
...ish daily driver.
17psi through a little 14b, intercooler holds up just fine in the day to day goings.
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Re: water/air intercooler setups post um
Kind of some apples to oranges comparisons here.
There are two different kinds of A2W Intercooler set ups, the Ice box style that is only realistic to use in race applications, and the heat exchanger style set up, which is more suitable for street use.
The ice box style is far superior to the heat exchanger style.
All the cars referenced that use an A2W style intercooler from the factory are heat exchanger style, and they are all roots type blowers, thus the only way possible to intercool them is with a heat exchanger A2W system.
There are two different kinds of A2W Intercooler set ups, the Ice box style that is only realistic to use in race applications, and the heat exchanger style set up, which is more suitable for street use.
The ice box style is far superior to the heat exchanger style.
All the cars referenced that use an A2W style intercooler from the factory are heat exchanger style, and they are all roots type blowers, thus the only way possible to intercool them is with a heat exchanger A2W system.
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Is it possible to turn a air to air bar/plate intercooler to water to air intercooler.
This is the one I am running now. http://i97.photobucket.com/albums/l2...C-Noir-800.png
This is the one I am running now. http://i97.photobucket.com/albums/l2...C-Noir-800.png