Dmc1

I have a 1992 accord lx with a five speed swap.and i was wondering if a msd boost timing master and something like an apexi or greddy piggy back fuel control would work to keep me from predetonating and blowing my engine?

My goal is at most 8psi and just maybe 200hp.

The Weather Man

200hp? is that it - do a swap.

But to answer your question - No.

Dmc1

Thnks for answering my question.Ive done some more reading on engine management and I think I'm gonna go with a hondata setup for my ecu.

I just finished a 5spd swap in my 92 accord next thing is an h23 head swap.

I'm going to put together a turbo system this summer.right now i'm just doing searchs and asking questions so I can get it right the first time.And i want to rebuild my bottom end first with forged internals.

Do you think a t25 would be a good fit with the hybrid h23 or would it spool to fast and then actually restrict air flow at high rpm?

.dave

T25 is pretty small for an engine of that size.

If you're looking for a little above 200hp, you can do that easily on the stock internals. I don't think its worth it to put an H23 head on there. Why do you want it, because it has 2 cams? You'd be better off doing mild headwork or putting together a better turbo setup then ******* around with the H23 head.

Dmc1

*L*No not because it has 2 cams.It just looks like a fun easy swap and cheap too.I've been looking around at junk yards and found one for 250 with the distributer.Ive heard of people getting like 160hp just with the h23 head swap.But Ive just heard that I haven't seen any dynos to prove it either.

so what turbo would you recommend? I'm going to be using an eclipse header.

i_kick_turtles

I think the H23 headswap is a great idea. You get the greater aftermarket support of the H23 head, greater airflow for cheaper than PnP, and the added tuneability via DOHC. Get the intake manifold for it as well as the distributor. You won't get the same HP/TQ numbers as the H23 because it has higher compression and a larger displacement. The gains, however are noticable. You can use not only the eclipse turbo manifold, but any turbo manifold from the 1st or 2nd DSMs. You can use the 450cc injectors off of them as well. Another tuning option for you to consider is Uberdata (it's free). If you use a DSM manifold a great turbo would be the 14b or the larger 16g. Good luck, and hope this helps.

dutchaccord

a friend of mine makes 255 hp on a F20/H23 franckenstein @10 psi

Still running strong.

Heres the dyno:

verry badly tuned tough... lol




http://www.cb7tuner.com/vbb/sh...stein

Dmc1

Thanks for the advice man real useful information.My accord is obd1 and has a resistor pack already so I'll be able to use the 450cc injectors with a good tuning program.

It would be awesome if i could get 250 hp and still be reliable.I go to edgewater alot and there are about a hundred mustangs and camaros waiting to get humbled

skinnye

screw a swap why spend $2500 to run mid to high 15's in an accord, p06 ecu and uberdata or chrome don't waste your money on the hondata its a rip and not worth the money, I'll be selling most of the old turbo setup from my f here pretty soon since I'm upgrading, heres what you need a dsm manifold preferably 2g but 1 g works too just does'nt flow as well. A titanium drill bit to bore out the mounting holes, I would suggest a 16g turbo or atleast a 60 trim t3 with an adapter plate, dsm 450cc injectors, http://www.johnnyracecar.com intercooler or a cca intercooler, http://www.stealthmodeperformance.com for oil lines, charge pipes, couplers, t bolt clamps, and ecu chipping kit. Copper spark plugs a few degrees cooler than stock hit up walmart you'll go through alot of these while tunning, and walmart has them for cheap, a 1g dsm bov, or whatever bov you want, I think that pretty much covers it, I hope you upgraded your clutch when you did the swap, if you want any 4thgen accord only advice check out http://www.cb7tuner.com and for more turbo stuff theres always the greatest site known to man kind http://www.homemadeturbo.com

Dmc1

Thanks for the advice skinnyw.I've been looking into uberdata alittle bit here and there the last few days,But I didn't really understand the process.But I followed the links you gave me and figured it out.It's still going to cost about 400 or so dollars to get the wide band o2 sensor and the chip writer.the sockets and little things needed to chip and socket the ecu are really cheap and i can get most of it at radio shack.
I don't have a laptop though but hell it would be nice to have one anyway.Am i making sense or does it sound like I'm still missing something?

bigdaddyvtec

So im going to go get my car dynoed...hopefully by the end of tihis week..
94 Accord EX f22b1. The plan is to tune to 10 PSI so I can turn it down for the week, and up to 10 on the weekends(Ima start a new block build in a couple of months) Hook up with Mike @ LSD motorsports. Good peeps, good action, good product...

Setup is:

Stock (for now) internal bottom end F22B1
450cc DSM injectors
Turbonetics t3/40e 57 trim turbo
LSD semi tubular ss mani w external gate

2.5" down pipe
Open dump tube
Tial 38 mm wastegate (.4 bar spring)
Custom intercooler
Tial 50 mm BOV
2.5" aluminum charge pipe
chipped p-72 running crome
Hallman PRO RX manual boost controller
Golden Eagle vacuum manifold

I have also put in a stage 3 6 puck clutch,
and 12 pound chrome molly flywheel in to deal with the additional power.

The project is almost copmpleted.. I CANT WAIT,

OK another pic...

Intercooler and piping...done.
Boost controller and golden Eagle vacum/boost manifold...done
Oil Drain/ Feed...done
Boost Gauge...done

3 inch mandrell exhaust and Magnaflow muff after we get the mani bolted up, and the injectors in, then off to INTEC!!!

YES father...I HAVE JOINED THE POWER OF THE DARK SIDE!!!

Modified by bigdaddyvtec at 1:21 AM 12/25/2005


Modified by bigdaddyvtec at 1:27 AM 12/25/2005

Dmc1

That clutch looks like a monster!
My sisters got a real feakin heavy clutch in her gsr.*L* the pedal is so hard It took me like an hour to get used to it and not get wheel spin in first...*L* I couldn't believe it when she pulled in the driveway in a gsr. She wanted to trade me her clutch for an oem one but I had to tell her a 98 gsr clutch doesn't fit in a 92 accord.
It's hard to feel coool in my accord when my sisters driven a gsr the guy she bought it from had good taste though greddy exhaust msd ignition aem cai...hheeeehh..I just need to vent that..I need to go to bed.*L*

skinnye

my first turbo setup was under $1000 I went in on the tuning stuff with some buddies who were boosting their hondas too so it was cheap, and you can usually find someone local to tune your car on uberdata for under $200, only problem with the fblock is that there are'nt that many basemaps availble for them, so they take a little longer to tune when compared to a dblock.

i_kick_turtles

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by dutchaccord &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">a friend of mine makes 255 hp on a F20/H23 franckenstein @10 psi</TD></TR></TABLE>
What turbo is he using?

dutchaccord

He uses a T3/T04e .50 turbine /.63 compressor.

He first used it on his stock H23, but didnt watch the oil temp... so he fried all the bearings.

We built him a new engine using the H23 head. He still has oil temp issues, but we told him to keep an eye on this. I certainly didnt think his new engine would last this long. (since he wantde to tune it himself)

Dmc1

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by dutchaccord &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">He uses a T3/T04e .50 turbine /.63 compressor.</TD></TR></TABLE>

Hi dutchaccord.Could you tell me at what rpm does that t3 start to spool?

I used the turbo calculator on stealth mode performance and came up with these numbers engine displacement is 2156cc and the target boost is 8psi CMF 13.51892197 and PR 1.646258503 at 4000rpm and Ive been comparing it with the turbo maps on garret and none of them hit right in the middle of any turbos efficiancy.


~1992 honda accord lx 5spd swap~

Dmc1

Actually I found one a t3 with a 60'' trim works almost perfect.



with the pr at 1.6 and the the cfm ranging from 10.1 at 3000 rpm to 20.2 at 6000 I should have a real nice power band.

~1992 honda accord 5spd swap turbo coming by summer 06~

raceACCORDingly

my calcs at 10psi for an f22



t3 super 60 map


plots nicely in the land of effeciency, i initially was going to go with that but i got a great deal on a t3/to4e 57 trim...

dutchaccord

Well, i hevent driven his car for a while now, but i remember hitting full boost at 4k rpm, and starting to spool up at 3k rm (from the top of my head.)

Im also debating on what turbo to get, ive built me a H22 (pistons rods sleeves etc etc) and want 350-400 hp.

Dmc1

[QUOTE=dutchaccord]Well, i hevent driven his car for a while now, but i remember hitting full boost at 4k rpm, and starting to spool up at 3k rm (from the top of my head.)

Thats exactly what I'm hoping for with mine.And that engine your building looks really good.

bigdaddyvtec

Well, my turbos smoked, but its done. DO NORT BUY TURBOS OFF EBAY!!! I spent big dollars everywhere else, so i got what i deserved 20 miles and lotsa smoke (from the tyurbo). Going to gioter rebuilt now.

Dmc1

How does ebay make money? everything on there looks like a off brand knock off copy. Like instead of Dc sports you have DC-s....Oh and do a search on a hks blow off valve but all you'll find is HKS style ****.

bigdaddyvtec

New Garret T3/t04e 57 trim stage 3 wheel, 48/50 AR...JUST WHAT THE DR ORDERED!!! 600.00 later, This thing sounds like its pissed off when it spools...and blows off!!!

BIG DADDY VTEC LIKE-EE!!!!

Exhaust tomorrow, tuned hopefully by tuesday....anyone in the seattle area tune crome on the side????

Joseph Davis

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by I R Tylor &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I think the H23 headswap is a great idea. You get the greater aftermarket support of the H23 head,</TD></TR></TABLE>

With Bisi stepping all over the F22, and no one of note doing anything with the H23, I'm going to disagree.

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by I R Tylor &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">greater airflow for cheaper than PnP</TD></TR></TABLE>

Which is irrelevant given the power goials mentioned here, and is irrelevant in forced induction until you start exceeding common + affordable compressor/sensor limitations.

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by I R Tylor &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">and the added tuneability via DOHC.</TD></TR></TABLE>

$$$ cam gears and a lot of ******* around vs turning up the boost 1 psi.

Screw the DSM manifold rig job. It's a pile, and you lose all your accessories. I could care less about the AC, but most of the Accord/Piglude guys NEED the PS.