rseaburgh

A friend gave me his turbo of a DSM and I'm currently building my kit for my h22. However I don't know if it'll work as well as I want it to. I'm hoping to get to the 260 whp mark and I don't think this'll do all that.

Now my questions are:Is the 16g too small? If it is way too small for this, is there a way to buy parts to make it work? Housings, wheels, etc.

TheShodan

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The 16G is WAY too small for the displacement and characteristics of the Prelude motor, and when built for more PSI, the damn thing will just heat up. there are those with a similar Greddy 18G that have those issues. You really need to consider a different, and better turbo for your goals in terms of HP. Now if it is response, verses Top end power, that too will make a difference in the turbo choice. PM me if you'd like for me to help configure one for you.

Calvinator

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by rseaburgh &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">A friend gave me his turbo of a DSM and I'm currently building my kit for my h22. However I don't know if it'll work as well as I want it to. I'm hoping to get to the 260 whp mark and I don't think this'll do all that.

Now my questions are:Is the 16g too small? If it is way too small for this, is there a way to buy parts to make it work? Housings, wheels, etc. </TD></TR></TABLE>

hey man, check this out! https://honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=1239890

This might better suit your needs

GPNY

the 16g is absolutely capable of 260whp and will spool up very fast on an h22. The only thing I would recommend is swapping out the turbine housing to an 8 or 10 cm one to reduce exhaust backpressure.
People here are always advocating big turbos at low PSI. That's stupid because they're running those big turbos below efficiency. Better to run a small turbo in it's peak efficiency range at higher PSI. You'll have less lag and better driveability.

BTW - To Xtremeazian - the t3 you have is smaller than the 16g and not as suited for the prelude. The 16g is almost the same as a t3 Super 60 - and the 7cm exhaust housing is in between .50 and .60 on a T3.

ITSME4G63

for 500 smackers you can send it to frocedperformance.net and get it built to a 18g if you want. But I agree with GPNY, you should just keep it , I dont think theres a need to switch housings though

Unsivil_audio

Screw that dude. This turbo will be just fine for you, it'll fall off a little up top, but it will make the peak power you want. I'd crank up the boost though if I were you, that turbo is happy at 20+psi/350whp.

rseaburgh

Thanks for the help
Where can I get a new housing and seals?

093turbo16

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I would upgrade the exhaust housing to a super 16g, that is what I have on my built D. Hahn racecraft makes them, it is a 10cm housing and has a T3 flange, which is a plus.

Boosted Power

20G.

Otherwise they make T3, T3/T4 versions that will bolt up to your td05h manifold.

rseaburgh

Now which one is better, the super 16 or the 20? I have a log style mani made for a T3 so I'm glad I can upgrade.


Modified by rseaburgh at 1:10 PM 6/1/2005

rseaburgh

Calvinator

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by GPNY &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">the 16g is absolutely capable of 260whp and will spool up very fast on an h22. The only thing I would recommend is swapping out the turbine housing to an 8 or 10 cm one to reduce exhaust backpressure.
People here are always advocating big turbos at low PSI. That's stupid because they're running those big turbos below efficiency. Better to run a small turbo in it's peak efficiency range at higher PSI. You'll have less lag and better driveability.

BTW - To Xtremeazian - the t3 you have is smaller than the 16g and not as suited for the prelude. The 16g is almost the same as a t3 Super 60 - and the 7cm exhaust housing is in between .50 and .60 on a T3.
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Thanks for correcting me, i did not know that. Learning something new each day.

Unsivil_audio

The 20g flows 650cfm vs the big 16g 550cfm, the 20g will support 500whp.

rseaburgh

I called up hahn and they said I can't upgrade the 16 to a super. I'd have to buy a whole new turbo. Where can I get a new housing? What about porting and clipping?

093turbo16

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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by rseaburgh &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I called up hahn and they said I can't upgrade the 16 to a super. I'd have to buy a whole new turbo. Where can I get a new housing? What about porting and clipping?</TD></TR></TABLE>

Well they lied to you, because I have it on my car right now. haha

I got my hahn super 16g from ebay, some guy didn't know what it was, not many do. But also the compressor side isn't just bolt on, it needs machining.

GPNY

Here you go...

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors...%3AIT

Aftermarket 8cm housing.
Available with INT or EXT WG.
You'll need to fab the downpipe...

rseaburgh

And this'll work fine? I found an adapter plate that'll mate the 16 bolt up to the T3 flange, but what do I go for? Do you know the flow rate for a reg. 16G?

093turbo16

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I think the flow is around 550 CFMs, or something. Rated at like 320-340 or so.

Si Shane

ok now i thought 16g was the compressor, and td05h was the turbine.

wouldn't (other than better flowing exhaust housing) the upgrade focus on a better compressor?

16g tdo5h vs 18g td05h, i thought the 18g was a larger compressor on te same turbine.

BTW-- that ebay auction for the td05h housing is pimp. Maybe i could put that on my 18g and keep it for 350whp.

GPNY

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Si Shane &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">ok now i thought 16g was the compressor, and td05h was the turbine.

wouldn't (other than better flowing exhaust housing) the upgrade focus on a better compressor?

16g tdo5h vs 18g td05h, i thought the 18g was a larger compressor on te same turbine.

BTW-- that ebay auction for the td05h housing is pimp. Maybe i could put that on my 18g and keep it for 350whp. </TD></TR></TABLE>

Correct - 16g is the compressor, and td05h is the turbine.
The ebay housing would work on all td05h turbines.
You don't really need to upgrade the compressor housing for 300hp... The small 16g can do it...

Unsivil_audio

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Unsivil_audio &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">The 20g flows 650cfm vs the big 16g 550cfm, the 20g will support 500whp.</TD></TR></TABLE>

The regular 16g only flow 505cfm, 320-340whp.

Superman137

sorry to hijack the tread but would a 14b work with his h22 setup

ITSME4G63

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Unsivil_audio &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"> I'd crank up the boost though if I were you, that turbo is happy at 20+psi/350whp.</TD></TR></TABLE>

You must be nuts if you think a 14b is effiecient at 20+ psi, 17psi top Id say. yes you can try runing race ags and all that at 20psi plus, hell the 14b might be able to take that 20 psi once in a while (drag races, occaional race) but it will not stand up to it. Not only do I know this from expericence, its a fuckign fact. My friend tried to be all tough with his 14b at 22psi, the turbo was gone withing a week, and all those fins that got messed up, small chuckns of them ended up in hi return line somehow, which ended up in the motor eventually, causing it to fail.

the small 16g will do for you, you wont really notice much difference between the small 16 and the big 16g and the evo16g. In fact, the small 16g is the only turbo that has the highest efficiency range of the 3.

Please take my advise due to the fact taht I am a dsmer and mess with this **** more often.

ITSME4G63

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by rseaburgh &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I called up hahn and they said I can't upgrade the 16 to a super. I'd have to buy a whole new turbo. Where can I get a new housing? What about porting and clipping?</TD></TR></TABLE>

fukcing hahn will never do anything for you unless you will buy it from them. They only tol dyou that because you didnt buy the turbo from them, go to hahn when you have countless dollars to spend on a neon that is not an srt4.

ITSME4G63

yes, the 14b adn the 16g have the same housings, as long as you can get the holes drilled out right on a dsm manifold (2g or evo perferabble or even a sbr manifold http://www.slowboyracing.com/more.php?id=1891&)