Irishweird00

After changing my mind 400 times, I finally decided.... (REALLY) decided to stay with my stock B16 bottem end, and swap out the pistons and rods with stronger replacements. My question isnt really a question, im just wondering what setups are out there, and how much power your making. I know my limits and the drawbacks, I just want to see what's out there.

Pics, Setups would be cool

Cliffs: I wanna know how much power people are making with stock sleeves

94gsr4dr

few on here are making 500+, a couple 400+, and lots on here are making 300+. I am doing a similar thing, but only have hopes of around 330-350.

P.S well until the summer when i start building another motor.

Irishweird00

Yeah, my goals are to stay under 400 ponies... but to break 400 would be nice

TurboJesse

you can do 400whp very easily, the sleeves can handle more than 500whp easily as long as you don't detonate. Find a good tuner that you have confiedence in and you'll be set...Im getting tuned with race gas in a month or so, 400whp is the goal on 110oct, and 325whp on pump gas, Stock b16a

jinxproof99

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my experience is that stock sleeves will handle alot of horsepower as long as the set up and tuning is right. you will miss out on torque, thats for sure. if you are only trying to make 400 to the wheels, do not buy a huge turbo. you might even want to consider giving up alittle top end by getting a turbo on the small end......and thereby having decent spool and a nicer powerband in the mid range. also to consider, are you planning to run pump gas or race gas?? with forged internals, you could easily run 350+ to the wheels on 93 octane and 500+ on vp16. i would suggest hondata at the minimum, big injectors, and a fuel pump as well.

Irishweird00

pump gas

I plan on hondata and a very good fuel system to keep up with the power I'm planning on making.

JDogg

what about on completly stock b16 bottom ends.. we spun a bering so we are slapping a stock b16 in there for the time being... im thinking 350 would be a good number to shoot for

jinxproof99

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I plan on hondata and a very good fuel system to keep up with the power I'm planning on making.</TD></TR></TABLE>

making more than 400 to the wheels on pump gas isn't very hard. many people have done it, even on a b16. but if you want to drive the car for any length of time, especially if its your only car, i'd be conservative. use a dyno, the hondata, and big injectors......set the timing right, and tune for a safe air/fuel ratio. whatever power you get is what you get.

jinxproof99

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your compression will be higher than if you selected a forged piston and you'll see detonation quicker as well. i think you can make three fifty to the wheels no problem, but who knows how long it will last.

TurboJesse

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350 might be pushing it with stock compression, atleast throw a thicker headgasket or 2 stock gaskets in there. Im hoping to make 400whp on a stock internal b16a with 2mm headgasket/ARP's and Race gas.

soundman

Another idea that you could use would be to use water injection on it at like 5psi or so... I would look it up... It would cool eveything down and would help prevent detonation.

tommyten

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Irishweird00 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">After changing my mind 400 times, I finally decided.... (REALLY) decided to stay with my stock B16 bottem end, and swap out the pistons and rods with stronger replacements. My question isnt really a question, im just wondering what setups are out there, and how much power your making. I know my limits and the drawbacks, I just want to see what's out there.

Pics, Setups would be cool

Cliffs: I wanna know how much power people are making with stock sleeves </TD></TR></TABLE>

thats wierd cause I just blew my motor to and I have a b16 block that I'm wondering the same thing you said.

Irishweird00

yeah, IF I was rich id do what I want to do, full build with everything, but im not rich...... money is the overlaying factor in my build.... so stock sleeves it is.

94gsr4dr

i am in a similar situation, but if i have learned one thing it is not to come into the boost game on a limitied budget

Irishweird00

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very true.... but there are many levels of boosting.... and the level I wanted to go.... was for someone with deep pockets.... this is more my speed.

1SlowSi

So let me ask this... because i was about to shell out $2,600 for a full b18a rebuild. Thats the motor, sleeved, pistons 9.5:1, rods , bored out to 84mm ect... thats nice huh?

But now ya got me thinking about keeping my b16 and just changing the internals, and leaving stock sleeves.. So the stock sleeves can handle how much again? or i should say how much boost? That would save me, ohh say $1,800!!!! I dont know... All i want it no more than 350 WHP!!! i would be fine, i look at the future though, i know im going to want more out of it later on, once i get beat by someone and i want to be able to boost more with NO worries of cracking anything. This turbo game really sucks ya know!!!

wade

iTrader: (1)

lol this thread is funny, i am tuning my car this weekend, i hope for 375whp at 19psi on 110 ocatane for track use and around 250hp at 9psi on 93 octane daily. i have a 1992 integra with a b18a with JE 9.1'a, eagle rods, arp head studs and rod bolts, 440's and a hondata s200b, skunk 2 intake manifold, full race manifold and so on..

Irishweird00

375 horse.... at 19 PSI with 110 oct?? jesus, I think your gunna make a little more than 375 horse... might wanna turn the boost down a little

TurboJesse

sounds about right for a low compression non vtec motor, can't really say much not knowing the turbo size.

Irishweird00

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I was lookin at his sig... b20/vtec

TurboJesse

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I was lookin at his sig... b20/vtec</TD></TR></TABLE>

ahh...yea its would be low for that...i jsut saw the b18a 9:1...

Irishweird00

do you know any good engine builders in our area jesse?

slug

you can take stock sleeves pretty far. . . tuning is everything.

check out my sig

TurboJesse

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as for shops...no, i know a few people that do it on the side and are very good...