Turbo Selection Options: B16/Spoon Cross-mission Trans for Flat Torqueband
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Anywhoo.... i am leaning towards baffeling the stock pan like shoden mentioned as the oil return is already figured out and it seals. (The Canton one is nice with the gates and stuff). Then i can have money for a pulley too. I found out the guy at the shop with that pulley was reving well over 10k regularly.
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Clutch not being balanced with the rest of the assembly isn't an engine killer. It's nice to have if you can,but not necessary.
Now you're using your noodle. .. I'll see if I can find the Mugen baffling kit for you to get. You can always have the pan done with a universal set, with a few changes.
Now you're using your noodle. .. I'll see if I can find the Mugen baffling kit for you to get. You can always have the pan done with a universal set, with a few changes.
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On a side note, I did use my noodle today to make a reducer for throttle pedal. Now the pedal only has to travel half its distance to open up to full throttle.
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which ATI damper? I don't have AC or PS.
ATI - Super Dampers® for Honda and Acura Engines
looks like the street one is way less cost wise.
ATI - Super Dampers® for Honda and Acura Engines
looks like the street one is way less cost wise.
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I went street its a nice pulley, the power steering portion is removable so like shodan said it should fit no problem
By the way if you go this route call up lighting motorsports they gave me a good deal
By the way if you go this route call up lighting motorsports they gave me a good deal
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Well **** keeps getting worse.... Turbo is shot or needs a rebuild. Way too much play in the shaft.
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Wait, let me rephrase that, the turbo is fucked! I am going to try to find a cheap replacment hopefully.
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I am looking at various compressor maps to determine a which turbo fits best. What are you guys generally using for BSFC (assuming 91 octane) and VE on the B16?
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Most here, don't use that as part of their calculations, unfortunately, they go by a "what my brother's-sister's-cousin's build" type of recommendation foundation, so I'll attempt to answer.
Based upon your camshafts of GSR, that will depend upon your Static compression and what else has been done to the cylinder head. Usually no more than .85VE- to .88VE should be used conservatively. For Gas turbine, about 17-22lbs/min exhaust gas is your better bet. Again, depending upon your engine block build bore / stroke. More RPM can help reach similar torque as a block with more bore & stroke, but depending upon your "tuner's choice" of turbocharger, that very rpm can hurt the characteristics a bit, even with a better geared transmission.
I think Tony the Tiger would be more willing to divulge a few more empirical numeric comparisons from his experience as well.
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yeah i have about 10 graphs in front of me and i am doing best and worse case scenarios for the numbers including the pressure drop. Lots to consider. Its really hard to compare with the old turbo since i have no clue if things were running right. I also find its hard to get all of the turbine maps for the different turbos.
Oh a good note the ATI damper and baffles showed up. Block is out being inspected (line hone) so things are moving, albeit slowly...
Oh a good note the ATI damper and baffles showed up. Block is out being inspected (line hone) so things are moving, albeit slowly...
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yeah i have about 10 graphs in front of me and i am doing best and worse case scenarios for the numbers including the pressure drop. Lots to consider. Its really hard to compare with the old turbo since i have no clue if things were running right. I also find its hard to get all of the turbine maps for the different turbos.
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...so you did have oil starvation ...or possible contamination form the damaged bearing...damn hope you have better luck next time. what turbos are you looking at?
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turbos in the short list
GT2860r
GT2871r
GTX2863R
GTX3067R
GTX3076R
STC hunter turbo
waiting to see what my tuner has for a turbo because of pricing. My wife, rightfully so, is hesitant to give me more money after spending a pile a few weeks ago. But really is spending $5k on a new engine every year so bad?
(i also just bought a very very very expensive mountain bike that i cannot ride because of injuries, from biking of course)
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sell the bike honda life haha
thats quite a range of turbos, 3076r is a quite a bit different then a gt2860. IMO from what I understand of your power goals 2860 is to small and 3076 too large. I vote hunter
IMO no reason to rebulid an engine once a year thats just race car status, and even then plenty of drag cars dont need to do this
thats quite a range of turbos, 3076r is a quite a bit different then a gt2860. IMO from what I understand of your power goals 2860 is to small and 3076 too large. I vote hunter
IMO no reason to rebulid an engine once a year thats just race car status, and even then plenty of drag cars dont need to do this
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What are the goals? 300-400? I dont see why you would need anything over 45 lb/min
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sell the bike honda life haha
thats quite a range of turbos, 3076r is a quite a bit different then a gt2860. IMO from what I understand of your power goals 2860 is to small and 3076 too large. I vote hunter5
IMO no reason to rebulid an engine once a year thats just race car status, and even then plenty of drag cars dont need to do this
thats quite a range of turbos, 3076r is a quite a bit different then a gt2860. IMO from what I understand of your power goals 2860 is to small and 3076 too large. I vote hunter5
IMO no reason to rebulid an engine once a year thats just race car status, and even then plenty of drag cars dont need to do this
Also yoh really really over simplified the who turbo thing. Are you sure a big turbo running lower boost wont be better to drive? Or maybe a smaller turbo at higher pressure?
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definetly smaller turbo with higher boost pressure
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It's all about having a balanced car. Like dynos, compressors maps only give you an idea of how it will work. You can have two cars on the track with the same weight and whp but produce two completely different feelings because the torque curves are very different, spool up is different, etc.
So to answer your question, I don't know. Not much to go on since the car is so vastly different than most other things.
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Yes mac tracks his car and so do i, just because you don't have do doesn't mean you shouldnt. I completly tear down my mountian bike each season (shocks and all) and go though it....Do I have to no but I prefer to, just personal I guess.
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I find it a waste of time to tear down if nothing is wrong. There will be plenty of times for something to go wrong during session to worry about that type of breakdown before it's necessary.
I've always overplanned my builds. It doesn't mean I I overspend, I simply concentrate on other areas more than the average. I also make sure things are working properly in-between sessions. This means oil checks, cool downs, running the right intercooler, radiator, etc. PLUS, a little luck. But to tear down every year? Nah, I have other things to do with my life... sorry. .
On an Exocet custom that I was working on this past year, the user had gone from a Miata motor to a B20/VTEC (which was rather different in the Exocet crowd), but was able to match pretty well with the Atoms and other customs that year at both VIR and Mid-America.
Smaller turbo for higher pressure, yes, but you have to make sure that it's "smaller" in the right places. (which means, no 300 lbs/ft of torque on a B16 with any rpm to work with.) GT2860RS is a bit too small for his transmission and altitude. I'd rather go for a slightly more efficient gas turbine map than worry about the compressor so much. But, I've already discussed this with him. Mjalaly now has to perform the calculations he feels best represent him at this point.
I've always overplanned my builds. It doesn't mean I I overspend, I simply concentrate on other areas more than the average. I also make sure things are working properly in-between sessions. This means oil checks, cool downs, running the right intercooler, radiator, etc. PLUS, a little luck. But to tear down every year? Nah, I have other things to do with my life... sorry. .
On an Exocet custom that I was working on this past year, the user had gone from a Miata motor to a B20/VTEC (which was rather different in the Exocet crowd), but was able to match pretty well with the Atoms and other customs that year at both VIR and Mid-America.
Smaller turbo for higher pressure, yes, but you have to make sure that it's "smaller" in the right places. (which means, no 300 lbs/ft of torque on a B16 with any rpm to work with.) GT2860RS is a bit too small for his transmission and altitude. I'd rather go for a slightly more efficient gas turbine map than worry about the compressor so much. But, I've already discussed this with him. Mjalaly now has to perform the calculations he feels best represent him at this point.