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Turbo Novice Needs Advice...
I'll start by telling you my current set-up, then i will tell you my future goals, etc.
*Current set-up:
-1989 Honda Civic Hatchback
-OBD-0 B16A Longblock
-OBD-0 PR3 Computer
-Cable J1 Transmission
-CTR Camshafts
-Apexi 4-2-1 Header
-2-1/4 Mandrel Bent Exhaust
-AEM fuel pressure regulator
-AEM adjustable cam sprockets
...Thats about all i have to work with at this point.
*Future Wish's/Goal's:
-First of all, i want to learn more about forced induction. (I am far from dumb, but everyone has to start somewhere and i chose honda-tech for my information, so help a brutha out!)
-easy turbo set-up (start off with something simple then work my way up)
-maybe 225-250whp
--Stock bottom end B16A (for starters)
--Mild Headwork (for starters)
--?--?--
*Questions:
-How Should i go about starting?
-What should be my first purchase?
-What parts are mandatory and which are optional?
-should i upgrade to OBD-1?
-What kind of fuel managment?
-does my face make me look fat?
i have plenty more where those came from, but thats a good start.
Any Help would be greatly appreciated
Any Links to gain common turbo knowledge?
Thanks
EDIT: This is going to be a daily driver and i would like it to be reliable.
P.S. im not fat
*Current set-up:
-1989 Honda Civic Hatchback
-OBD-0 B16A Longblock
-OBD-0 PR3 Computer
-Cable J1 Transmission
-CTR Camshafts
-Apexi 4-2-1 Header
-2-1/4 Mandrel Bent Exhaust
-AEM fuel pressure regulator
-AEM adjustable cam sprockets
...Thats about all i have to work with at this point.
*Future Wish's/Goal's:
-First of all, i want to learn more about forced induction. (I am far from dumb, but everyone has to start somewhere and i chose honda-tech for my information, so help a brutha out!)
-easy turbo set-up (start off with something simple then work my way up)
-maybe 225-250whp
--Stock bottom end B16A (for starters)
--Mild Headwork (for starters)
--?--?--
*Questions:
-How Should i go about starting?
-What should be my first purchase?
-What parts are mandatory and which are optional?
-should i upgrade to OBD-1?
-What kind of fuel managment?
-does my face make me look fat?
i have plenty more where those came from, but thats a good start.
Any Help would be greatly appreciated
Any Links to gain common turbo knowledge?
Thanks
EDIT: This is going to be a daily driver and i would like it to be reliable.
P.S. im not fat
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Re: Turbo Novice Needs Advice... (Die-Laughing)
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Re: Turbo Novice Needs Advice... (Die-Laughing)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Die-Laughing »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
*Questions:
-How Should i go about starting?
-What should be my first purchase?
-What parts are mandatory and which are optional?
-should i upgrade to OBD-1?
-What kind of fuel managment?
-does my face make me look fat?
i have plenty more where those came from, but thats a good start.
Any Help would be greatly appreciated
Any Links to gain common turbo knowledge?
Thanks
EDIT: This is going to be a daily driver and i would like it to be reliable.
P.S. im not fat </TD></TR></TABLE>
boost is addictive, maybe more so than drugs from where u are...if u get to 250 hp...thats reasonable with stock bottom with good tune, but 250 gets old after awhile and ur gonna want 300, 350, 400...so maybe instead of rushing into things...u may wanna just build the motor first...sleeve, forged pistons, rods, stock crank can handle over 700 hp so u wont need that...than work on ur head. at this point u gotta kick *** block than can handle 400+ hp at ur finger tips or should i say toes (ok that wasnt funny). well anyway if u build a block now, u can boost at any reasonable level and not have to worry about anything wearing out. if u dont build ur block and keep the stock bottom u can run 250 hp but for how long? it may last a year, two...than something gives, something wears out and u gotta blown motor and have to spend more money to fix it than what u would have paid to build ur block. thats my 2 cents. i know from exerience cuz im there where u are...except its already boosted with stock bottom. my 247 hp is old but i cant boost any higher cuz ill compromise the strength of my rods, pistons...so im currently building my motor which i should have done before boost.
*Questions:
-How Should i go about starting?
-What should be my first purchase?
-What parts are mandatory and which are optional?
-should i upgrade to OBD-1?
-What kind of fuel managment?
-does my face make me look fat?
i have plenty more where those came from, but thats a good start.
Any Help would be greatly appreciated
Any Links to gain common turbo knowledge?
Thanks
EDIT: This is going to be a daily driver and i would like it to be reliable.
P.S. im not fat </TD></TR></TABLE>
boost is addictive, maybe more so than drugs from where u are...if u get to 250 hp...thats reasonable with stock bottom with good tune, but 250 gets old after awhile and ur gonna want 300, 350, 400...so maybe instead of rushing into things...u may wanna just build the motor first...sleeve, forged pistons, rods, stock crank can handle over 700 hp so u wont need that...than work on ur head. at this point u gotta kick *** block than can handle 400+ hp at ur finger tips or should i say toes (ok that wasnt funny). well anyway if u build a block now, u can boost at any reasonable level and not have to worry about anything wearing out. if u dont build ur block and keep the stock bottom u can run 250 hp but for how long? it may last a year, two...than something gives, something wears out and u gotta blown motor and have to spend more money to fix it than what u would have paid to build ur block. thats my 2 cents. i know from exerience cuz im there where u are...except its already boosted with stock bottom. my 247 hp is old but i cant boost any higher cuz ill compromise the strength of my rods, pistons...so im currently building my motor which i should have done before boost.
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Re: Turbo Novice Needs Advice... (98B00STED)
Its all about the tunning. St00pid was pumping out somewhere in the 400whp range on a stock internal LS. Many people are making around 300hp or above with the stock internals but more than likely they have a standalone fuel system VS. a band aid setup like the HACK or FMU. Those have also have proven to be reliable, just how well you tune it.... You shouldn't have to build any motor to boost it, boost doesnt kill a motor, detonation does. 14.7 psi increases rod load by only 20%. There are also other varibles that come into play such as RPM ect. but you get the idea. Tunning is where its at.
just my .02 cents...
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just my .02 cents...
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Re: Turbo Novice Needs Advice... (Blaze45)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Blaze45 »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Its all about the tunning. St00pid was pumping out somewhere in the 400whp range on a stock internal LS. Many people are making around 300hp or above with the stock internals but more than likely they have a standalone fuel system VS. a band aid setup like the HACK or FMU. Those have also have proven to be reliable, just how well you tune it.... You shouldn't have to build any motor to boost it, boost doesnt kill a motor, detonation does. 14.7 psi increases rod load by only 20%. There are also other varibles that come into play such as RPM ect. but you get the idea. Tunning is where its at.
just my .02 cents...
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i agree with what u say to a point but 300+ on stock internals isnt the safest thing to do even though it can be done. ur hitting the limits on ur rods, pistons and especially stock sleeves and not giving urself any safety margin...at least with a built motor running 300+ hp ur still extremely safe because it can handle double that and still keep on going. im not trying to be a dick, just trying to give a good advice to a member new to boosting so he dont end up on the side of the road.
just my .02 cents...
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i agree with what u say to a point but 300+ on stock internals isnt the safest thing to do even though it can be done. ur hitting the limits on ur rods, pistons and especially stock sleeves and not giving urself any safety margin...at least with a built motor running 300+ hp ur still extremely safe because it can handle double that and still keep on going. im not trying to be a dick, just trying to give a good advice to a member new to boosting so he dont end up on the side of the road.
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i agree with what u say to a point but 300+ on stock internals isnt the safest thing to do even though it can be done. ur hitting the limits on ur rods, pistons and especially stock sleeves and not giving urself any safety margin...at least with a built motor running 300+ hp ur still extremely safe because it can handle double that and still keep on going. im not trying to be a dick, just trying to give a good advice to a member new to boosting so he dont end up on the side of the road. </TD></TR></TABLE>
Yeah I understand. That is true, the more boost you have less room for error. A built motor that is untuned will blow just as fast as a stock one that is untuned. Building a motor is very expensive and time consuming process. I think that he needs to keep searching and reading up on setups and ideas.
Blaze
i agree with what u say to a point but 300+ on stock internals isnt the safest thing to do even though it can be done. ur hitting the limits on ur rods, pistons and especially stock sleeves and not giving urself any safety margin...at least with a built motor running 300+ hp ur still extremely safe because it can handle double that and still keep on going. im not trying to be a dick, just trying to give a good advice to a member new to boosting so he dont end up on the side of the road. </TD></TR></TABLE>
Yeah I understand. That is true, the more boost you have less room for error. A built motor that is untuned will blow just as fast as a stock one that is untuned. Building a motor is very expensive and time consuming process. I think that he needs to keep searching and reading up on setups and ideas.
Blaze
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Re: Turbo Novice Needs Advice... (DC2R714)
Is TurboEdit one of the better ones for OBD-0 set-ups, or is that all there is for OBD-0 set-ups?
98BOOSTED...your advice sounds good, i was thinking about buying another B16 block and get it sleeved and get pistons/rods,etc. just to be on the safe side and once that was all built i would just put that under the mildly tuned b16 head.
-one thing i always wondered about: is it ok to run a low compression motor without forced induction for a period of time?
i want this to be done right..i dont want to cut too many corners.
can someone tell me what is the minimum amount of things needed for a turbo set-up? (i.e. manifold,turbo,wastegate)
how about which pieces are optional? (i.e. injectors?vafc?)
can we review the functions of certain parts also?
ok, thanks for all your help so far
i feel i learned something here today...ahhh
98BOOSTED...your advice sounds good, i was thinking about buying another B16 block and get it sleeved and get pistons/rods,etc. just to be on the safe side and once that was all built i would just put that under the mildly tuned b16 head.
-one thing i always wondered about: is it ok to run a low compression motor without forced induction for a period of time?
i want this to be done right..i dont want to cut too many corners.
can someone tell me what is the minimum amount of things needed for a turbo set-up? (i.e. manifold,turbo,wastegate)
how about which pieces are optional? (i.e. injectors?vafc?)
can we review the functions of certain parts also?
ok, thanks for all your help so far
i feel i learned something here today...ahhh
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Re: Turbo Novice Needs Advice... (Die-Laughing)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Die-Laughing »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
i want this to be done right..i dont want to cut too many corners.
can someone tell me what is the minimum amount of things needed for a turbo set-up? (i.e. manifold,turbo,wastegate)
how about which pieces are optional? (i.e. injectors?vafc?)
can we review the functions of certain parts also?
ok, thanks for all your help so far
i feel i learned something here today...ahhh
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the minimum u can do and the most economical things u can do and still be safe:
1. forged pistons and rods are pretty much a must...HT.com forced induction forum got bunch for sale at great price
2. mitsu 450cc injectors ($50 on ebay)
3. fmu 12:1 (the cheapest), safc (can get them $200 plus shipping from this forum), uberdata/hondata/aem ems (arm and a leg but u wont have to worry with any of those set up)
4. intercooler is optional but u will want to have one ($50 for junkyard to couple grand and everything in btween)
5. mitsu 1st gen BOV ($50 ebay)
6. if u dont wanna spend a grand for sleeves u can spend $100 for a good block guard
7. there's gotta be more **** im forgetting...help this guy out man..
i want this to be done right..i dont want to cut too many corners.
can someone tell me what is the minimum amount of things needed for a turbo set-up? (i.e. manifold,turbo,wastegate)
how about which pieces are optional? (i.e. injectors?vafc?)
can we review the functions of certain parts also?
ok, thanks for all your help so far
i feel i learned something here today...ahhh
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the minimum u can do and the most economical things u can do and still be safe:
1. forged pistons and rods are pretty much a must...HT.com forced induction forum got bunch for sale at great price
2. mitsu 450cc injectors ($50 on ebay)
3. fmu 12:1 (the cheapest), safc (can get them $200 plus shipping from this forum), uberdata/hondata/aem ems (arm and a leg but u wont have to worry with any of those set up)
4. intercooler is optional but u will want to have one ($50 for junkyard to couple grand and everything in btween)
5. mitsu 1st gen BOV ($50 ebay)
6. if u dont wanna spend a grand for sleeves u can spend $100 for a good block guard
7. there's gotta be more **** im forgetting...help this guy out man..
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haha..thanks man
1.forged pistons and rods...ok i have a few in mind, but what compression for my future set-up? possible to buy good enough pistons to handle more than what looking for, so i can still use them when i want to boost higher?
2.mitsu 450cc injectors...this is the minimum size injectors i can use? possible to buy bigger injectors?
3.-fmu 12:1...fuel managment unit, correct?
-safc a must? can i use vafc? both?
-uberdata/hondata/aem ems...mmmm these sound like i want to buy them all
3.intercooler...i've always dreamed of seeing a big *** intercooler through the
grill of my ef9 / intercooler sizes? does it really matter? i would think bigger
is better, but then again you guys might know a little more. intercooler
applications- does this matter or do you just have to "make it work"?
4.blow off valve...psssheeww vrooom ..anyways..this mounts onto the intake
piping? when buying a bov , you just match the bov to the size flange you have?
5.sleeves...i would like to have a sleeved block but the B16 bottom end need it?
how much can the b16's stock sleeves handle?
thanks again for the help
if anyone has any kind of turbo knowledge they want to share..feel free.
at this point i really dont know much but i want to do this the right way and i want to do it with my own hands, so if you know something i dont about turbos ,and you dont tell me !!! you better watch out
haha ..thanks guys
1.forged pistons and rods...ok i have a few in mind, but what compression for my future set-up? possible to buy good enough pistons to handle more than what looking for, so i can still use them when i want to boost higher?
2.mitsu 450cc injectors...this is the minimum size injectors i can use? possible to buy bigger injectors?
3.-fmu 12:1...fuel managment unit, correct?
-safc a must? can i use vafc? both?
-uberdata/hondata/aem ems...mmmm these sound like i want to buy them all
3.intercooler...i've always dreamed of seeing a big *** intercooler through the
grill of my ef9 / intercooler sizes? does it really matter? i would think bigger
is better, but then again you guys might know a little more. intercooler
applications- does this matter or do you just have to "make it work"?
4.blow off valve...psssheeww vrooom ..anyways..this mounts onto the intake
piping? when buying a bov , you just match the bov to the size flange you have?
5.sleeves...i would like to have a sleeved block but the B16 bottom end need it?
how much can the b16's stock sleeves handle?
thanks again for the help
if anyone has any kind of turbo knowledge they want to share..feel free.
at this point i really dont know much but i want to do this the right way and i want to do it with my own hands, so if you know something i dont about turbos ,and you dont tell me !!! you better watch out
haha ..thanks guys
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Re: Turbo Novice Needs Advice... (Die-Laughing)
alright...thanks for helping out.
i'll just keep searching in the forced induction threads to learn more.
i'll just keep searching in the forced induction threads to learn more.
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Re: Turbo Novice Needs Advice... (DC2R714)
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good ****, but for boost u need a pm6 (si ecu)
good ****, but for boost u need a pm6 (si ecu)
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Die-Laughing »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">So if you want to run boost on a B16A you need to use a PM6 computer with turboedit?
thats confusing </TD></TR></TABLE>
yeah no one except hondata supports pr3 with boost, so get a ps9 (90-91 ex ecu) for vtec or a pm6, they are base maps out there for b16a
goto http://www.pgmfi.org
http://www.turboedit.org
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yeah no one except hondata supports pr3 with boost, so get a ps9 (90-91 ex ecu) for vtec or a pm6, they are base maps out there for b16a
goto http://www.pgmfi.org
http://www.turboedit.org
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... it may last a year, two...than something gives, something wears out and u gotta blown motor and have to spend more money to fix it than what u would have paid to build ur block...</TD></TR></TABLE>
I would wanna say thats always the case no matter how much you build up the motor when converting a NA motor to forced induction.It all depends on your budget. I say boost the stock block and have some fun with 7-9 psi. Cheaper than spending an extra $1000 beefing up a block that may never see excessive boost. Blow a block on 9 psi it will probably just be a piston ring or a bearing, any more boost and you'll be replacing cranks, connecting rods, pistons, blocks, you get the idea. Maybe even go for %50 gain in horsepower and you'll be somewhat safe with a beefed up cooling system. And you can hack it pretty well with the fmu, v or safc, dsm 450cc squirters, just make sure you watch your airfuel guage and EGT, goes lean or hot goes boom!! I am rambling like a fool goodbye.
... it may last a year, two...than something gives, something wears out and u gotta blown motor and have to spend more money to fix it than what u would have paid to build ur block...</TD></TR></TABLE>
I would wanna say thats always the case no matter how much you build up the motor when converting a NA motor to forced induction.It all depends on your budget. I say boost the stock block and have some fun with 7-9 psi. Cheaper than spending an extra $1000 beefing up a block that may never see excessive boost. Blow a block on 9 psi it will probably just be a piston ring or a bearing, any more boost and you'll be replacing cranks, connecting rods, pistons, blocks, you get the idea. Maybe even go for %50 gain in horsepower and you'll be somewhat safe with a beefed up cooling system. And you can hack it pretty well with the fmu, v or safc, dsm 450cc squirters, just make sure you watch your airfuel guage and EGT, goes lean or hot goes boom!! I am rambling like a fool goodbye.
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haha...thanks for the advice man. that sounds like a good plan, because im not entirely sure boost is for me ,but i would like to learn about forced induction and what better way than to slap a turbo on my car?
although, you do have a good point when it comes to spending the extra grand on a beefed up block when im only a beginner..the B16A block should suit my needs for a while, and if i do have problems i can just swap out the block for a few hundred bucks
thanks for the help
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haha...thanks for the advice man. that sounds like a good plan, because im not entirely sure boost is for me ,but i would like to learn about forced induction and what better way than to slap a turbo on my car?
although, you do have a good point when it comes to spending the extra grand on a beefed up block when im only a beginner..the B16A block should suit my needs for a while, and if i do have problems i can just swap out the block for a few hundred bucks
thanks for the help
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