Fuzion

i think im gonna go with the turbo itr, cause of the more power i can get from lower boost levels than the ls, and yes vtec motors tend to make more power at lower boost levels, but as far as tuning vtec and turbo ....it take less moeny to tune a ls thant a vtec motor is what im trying to say. But before i take the final steps in my set-up, i want to make sure im goin the right way. Yes daily driver, i live near DC and 2-4hrs stuck in traffic a day....no i dont car pool...lol. But i jsut wanted to see waht u gusy have to say or think about the setp. it will use lovafab sidewinder,4"dp, 3" cat-back, sc61/63,big boy fmic,tial40mm w/g, tial bov,hondata 1b/2b...so thats the basic's...i know itr is a n/a motor form factory, but when i get it, its my motor and ill do what i want wit it...same for the ls so is 9.6:1c/r good for turbo itr as far as compression?....lmk.peace

gomer124

I'd go with ls, since vtec and turbo are a wierd mix who sometimes fight

b16ahybrid

If you have not bought the motor yet i would say save some money and buy a ls or gs-r. I honestly cant see spending 5k on a b18c5 when you can get a b18c1 for about half that. The diffence in power between the b18c and the b18c5 once boosted is not worth it in my oppinion

b16ahybrid

oh if it's between b18c5 and b18b i would go with the b18b

redline201

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by gomer124 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I'd go with ls, since vtec and turbo are a wierd mix who sometimes fight </TD></TR></TABLE>

where the **** did you hear this?????????????

Mase

If i could do it all over again, Id slowly piece a motor together..... get a gsr block w/ say a cracked sleeved, get it resleeved, by benson's of course, build the bottom end then get a tranny w/ and LSD and a good conditioned head-valvesprings and retainers, and you're all set

build that bitch from the get go takes money though......

allstokhonda

I would agree with Mase. I just bought my gsr block that has 84mm darton sleeves. I like either of the b18c series cause that have the factory block girdle. I'm using my b16a2 head.

MiraiZ

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by redline201 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

where the **** did you hear this?????????????

</TD></TR></TABLE>

I wanna know too...VTEC + turbo =


as far as Type R vs GSR, it really depends on the budget, but if you have the $$$ do turbo R. The Type R head flows air so much better and does wonders with turbo.

so final assessment:

low budget - go LS turbo -good power lots of fun
sizeable budget -go GSR turbo -gobs of power tons of fun
unlimited budget - go turbo R -incredible power, race car fun (but definately not for everyone)

Sohc Driver

Type R...in my opinion would be the way to go if you want all motor....GSR too..for that matter....but, i wouldn't boost it. The Type R will yield more power ultimately...but just not worth it in my opinion. The only two motors i would boost out of the 1.8s are the GSR or LS...but honestly...if i had a GSR..i would have gone all motor....luckily..i have an LS..and im going boost

Khoi

Fuzion

see here is the catch. i have a b series swap in my car already, im jsut changing locngblocks, i cna get th eitr motor jdm b18c for 2gs plus my ls motor. So i will just be changing the motor only......now with this question.......Type R turbo vs LS/Vtec Turbo.

shermanyang

iTrader: (1)

i would just get a gsr block and buy an itr head. a lot easier and cheaper than buying a complete motor IMO. then you pick and choose your other parts from there on.

Johnyquest

You don't even need an ITR head. A b16 head flows very good, so a gsr bottom end + b16 head would do nicely as well.

shermanyang

iTrader: (1)

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Johnyquest &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">You don't even need an ITR head. A b16 head flows very good, so a gsr bottom end + b16 head would do nicely as well.</TD></TR></TABLE>

what i meant was complete itr head w/ IM & TB. ITR also has a better valve train...although i would swap to gsr cams

Johnyquest

Why swap to GSR cams? I think by tuning out the overlap with some cam gears, the extra lift the R cams provide would be helpful in a FI setup?

Sohc Driver

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Johnyquest &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Why swap to GSR cams? I think by tuning out the overlap with some cam gears, the extra lift the R cams provide would be helpful in a FI setup?</TD></TR></TABLE>

That is an incorrect assumption....more lift is bad for forced induction......i've ran across a thread as to why..but im not good on explaining why more lift is bad for turbo....I am sure someone will fill me in and help..

Khoi

boost fed ls

if i was you i would buy an ls motor and build it, you will end up spending around the same amount as an itr swap, not to mention i think it would be stronger and handle more boost, i love itr motors but over rated for the price, but thats just my 2 cents

g2turbo

search

99B16Si

definitely a GSR motor. there is no comparison between the factory motors(thats why a gsr longlock is double the price). now if your building the motors up its a different story.

also i thought it was more too much duration that wasnt good for boosted applications, not lift...correct me if im wrong

gomer124

turbo + vtec = interesting combo

here's where i read some **** on it

http://forums.beyond.ca/showthread/t-1387.html

Foozball26

edit: mixed up words on me sucking at the typing


Modified by Foozball26 at 10:12 PM 11/15/2003

SleepyEG

I hate you

tony1

Actually, lift is not as important in forced induction as it is normally asprirated. The trick is getting the duration of the cams right. Even notice that hks sells cams for eclipses and supras and the 264, 272 numbers that you hear are duration numbers. When you are forcing the air in, lift doesn't work so much like it does normally aspirated.

Foozball26

wow my word choice sucked, I had overlap and duration mixed up, hence the pushing air out of the exahust.

tony when are you getting new pics of the car? or have you been conjuring up...say a twin turbo kit for your z

tony1

I don't have a digital camera. Art was supposed to come down today and take some pics of the car, but he didn't show. I'll get some soon enough. The Z is gonna have to wait, i've got way too much stuff to do right now. We have 3 race cars in the shop right now that have to be ready for next season.

Foozball26

dam dude you are a busy man

you're working at bobs new place in rockwall right?

gl with 3 cars at once must be hectic.