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Old 09-29-2007, 06:05 PM
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DOHC ZC motor milled to 11.3:1 compression ratio, JG 301 cams/gears/springs (intake lobe center @108, exhaust at 109), stock pistons/rods, NOS 75 wet shot (.041 N, .023 F), Walbro 255 fuel pump. Fuel was 25% 93 octane and 75% 104 octane. BKR7E-11 spark plugs gapped to .030. Base timing retarded 2 degrees, completely stock PM7 ignition map, adjusted fuel map; AFRs were right at 12.5 in the upper RPM range without nitrous. I couldn't get a reading when I was spraying, I guess I hit the record button twice.. Compression was GREAT 2 weeks ago.

My main concern is the spark plug... I kinda think it was glowing red hot and causing the cylinder to pre-ignite.... I've heard of spark plugs doing that, but on a 75 shot? I called NOS to make sure I didn't need to get a better plug, but they said it should be fine (although I didn't tell them my CR).

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Do you think that a red hot spark plug would cause this? If so, is there much I would be able to do about it for the next time? Obviously I can't do much about it now lol.

The car pulled HARD 2nd, 3rd, and 4th gear, I let off and coasted for a bit, when I put it in 5th and started cruising, there was smoke everywhere and it started misfiring.

Old 09-29-2007, 06:29 PM
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Default Re: Trying to figure out what went wrong... Cylinder #3 is TOAST! DOHC ZC w/75 shot... Pics (I8ayell

Well its apparent that the piston got really hot and expanded very quick and killed the side wall of the cylinder. kinda looks to be a lean out condition IMO. the cylinder is clean(er) then the others. and the sidewall is bad.
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detonation like whoa
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Could it be that the sparkplug's electrode tip all of a sudden broke off and started to bead blast the piston bouncing around inside the cylinder at the same time de-carbonizing it as well.............
The top of #3 looks eroded...
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what injectors? cleaned/checked? possibly the injector failed or the fuel jet got clogged but that looks lean and very hot.
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Mr HYDE &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"> detonation like whoa</TD></TR></TABLE>



it got hot in there. you leaned bad and all those divots in the piston face is detonation like hyde said
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detonation buddy,

probably caused by an improper/lean mix into that cylinder.... is that the one that the PCV feeds into?????
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PCV is between 2 and 3.

They are stock injectors that have never been inspected/checked.

Immediately after it started smoking, I pulled over and pulled out the plugs. The rest of them actually looked rich, so I don't think its a fuel pressure issue, or the supplement fuel (from the fogger). I would like to check out that injector now, I'm curious.

Would the detonation cause the spark plug ground strap to melt off like that?
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by mighty137 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Could it be that the sparkplug's electrode tip all of a sudden broke off and started to bead blast the piston bouncing around inside the cylinder at the same time de-carbonizing it as well.............
The top of #3 looks eroded...</TD></TR></TABLE>

nah its called it got so hot the electrode melted off and melted the piston.
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Mr HYDE &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"> detonation like whoa</TD></TR></TABLE>
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Lean Condition on number #3. 75Shot..back in the day. Had to have my baby towed back 178miles...a night I cant forget





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