ercfrmr

Hey guys,
I'm a lil confused here...Bought a Tial MVS wastegate off a guy off here and it came in being the one without the water cooled ports. I ordered a new one also and it is the water cooled one. The flanges seem to be made of different metals...here's a couple pics. The darker ones are the ones the guy off here included and the shiny ones are from the new one. Any info/experience on this would be awesome guys thanks!!!

siblues

iTrader: (1)

Looks like steel and aluminum are they the same weight?

ercfrmr

No, darker ones are heavier and have an almost ceramic coated feel to em.

wantboost

iTrader: (2)

post pics of the first wastegate you got...

a lot of mvs fakes (that dont have the water ports) are floating around and they have flanges that look like the dark ones you posted.

ercfrmr

I will do that as soon as I get home. Any clear knockoff indicators I can look for on the one bought off here? I know Greddy has a nice write-up on identifyinh a fake. Thanks guys so far!

ercfrmr

OK, here's some pics for ya:
I understand they are two different models, but just wanna clarify ya know. Thanks again for your knowledge on this guys! Hopefully a Tial dealer or representative can verify these.

Side by sides:






This is the water cooled model:







Fire ring not installed in water cooled one:




This is the NON water cooled one:







Fire ring is installed in this picture of the NON water cooled one:

twkdCD595

The non water cooled unit looks a bit questionable compared to the water cooled.

If I was a betting man, I would put money on that non water cooled being your chinese knockoff.

Surely someone from TiAL will see this and can confirm or deny.

kyden

http://www.tialsport.com/realvsfake.html

your non-water cooled one is fake.

Mr.Spec

non water cooled one is fake. you can tell by the machining its not as clean. and the anodizing is not as vibrant as the tial version. the machining is a " tell all:

ercfrmr

Thanks bro! ^ Great information there!! For all you that don't do links, here's whatcha wanna know:

The NON water cooled gate is a definate knockoff. AND a damn good one. These are coming outta malaysia and actually do function and look like the real thing. The only draw backs are different metals used in manufacturing and their lifespan. The real ones are good for over 750,000 engine cycles (which is insane) and the knockoffs are good for around 6,200 on avereage. The knockoff flanges are usually not shiny stainless like they should be and are dark in color. The numbers on the top hats are a give away too, but not always. Hopefully this info helps someone in the future! Thanks for the help again!!
-Eric

Muckman

iTrader: (2)

Well it can't be that good of a fake if we can pick it out of a lineup from a few pics. And then all the other stuff you listed why it sucks...

ercfrmr

Not my words pimpin... that's guy from tial speaking. And thinkin he is referencing in comparison to the eBay mvs knockoffs selling for 100 bucks.

TheShodan

iTrader: (14)

Not to mention, most of the kids that only have a $100 will not care about the difference and risk their engine anyway because they couldn't raise enough tips that night at work.

doug118

It's super easy to tell other is fake. look at the difference in the lettering. Not rocket science

wantboost

iTrader: (2)

I get a cookie...

and to the op, was the massive difference in price not a dead giveaway?

ercfrmr

No, dude I bought it off of on here was under impression it was real also n he paid full retail. Super nice guy n we worked out the financials so hope this info and real deal pictures helps a lot of people out. Wanted to share my misfortune to hopefully help other honda heads! Best of luck guys

wantboost

iTrader: (2)

wow, doubly raped.
thats never good lol
at least you got it worked out