nguyen726

sorry, i had to ask. prolly been covored but ive been searching for like 4 days strait and i cant find what turbo? and turbo manifold?i should run wit.

i got a bone stock ls motor in my 95 hatch.
i want to keep my AC and pwr steering.
its going to be a daily driven. street only
i juss want a really quick spool
and 250 on the horse pwr.

Weston

I'm very happy with my RevHard cast-iron manifold and a small T3 on my B18B... spools up nice and quick. I'm running a T3 50-trim compressor, but that's really only appropriate for my 5300+ foot elevation; a 60-trim would be what I'd go for at sea level. I originally had A/C with it... the 2.5" downpipe was a tight fit, but we were able to build it so that it cleared the A/C compressor, so it's definately possible.

nguyen726

thanks. i can still have power steering?

itz_nij

hey nguyen,

okay it seems your looking for a basic turbo build without spending too much money. what you want is a t3/t4 57trim turbo, the suggested brands are garret and turbonetics but its the same **** if you asked me. buying a new turbo would be great but you can find an used one ranges from $100-$300. i just recently got one my self from a local guy for $200 flat. no shaft play and good to go.
now choosing what manifold, for someone that only wants 250 to the wheels and ac doesnt really require an manifold that cost a grip. i would go with a basic revhard, blog, etc., iron cast manifold probably cost you like $200 for a new one.

$400 bucks and then you should know the rest. matching downpipe, wastegate, dump pipe, intercooler w/ piping, etc., shouldnt cost you that much.. i say a good custom kit around $1000-$1200. then remember the key to a boosted honda is tuning and tuning prices are various depending on who you goto and what you decide on tuning it with.

Weston

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Sure can... there's a pretty good amount of space between the power steering pump and the turbo / manifold. The A/C compressor was the only tight fit.

nguyen726

once again. thanks this is a lot of help. i found a rev hard cast iron maniold from a local for 150. im getting it right now. ill be done with my build up pretty quick.

Weston

The T3/T4 is great for drag racing, higher revving engines (ie B18C), and/or lots of boost, but if you want quick spool and mid-range power for a B18A/B, and you're not wanting to run more than 15 psi, I would go with a T3 60-trim.

Here's a nice calculator that will show you where you are on a turbo map, based on your engine parameters, elevation, boost level, and RPM: http://not2fast.wryday.com/tur...le=85

blackeg

yea a nice 60 trim or super 60 t3 would be very responseful on the street. you can probably rock out a 50 trim t3t4 also

nguyen726

i found a guy with a 1990 saab t3 turbo and a t25 from a different saab. he wants 150 for the t3
should i get it?
and how do i kno that its still good?

nguyen726

Garrett turbo T3/T04E...used...400.
is that a good buy?

CivicVX94

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by itz_nij &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"> the suggested brands are garret and turbonetics but its the same **** if you asked me. buying a new turbo would be great but you can find an used one ranges from $100-$300. i just recently got one my self from a local guy for $200 flat. no shaft play and good to go.</TD></TR></TABLE>
turbonetics is main brand and used frequently, but it's b/c of the name not the product. ask around with tuners or sellers...the feedback most likely won't be good.
i have a turbonectics turbo on my ls and with a fresh rebuilt by a compitant builder and after 5,000ish miles, the seals are shot to hell...
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Weston &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">The T3/T4 is great for drag racing, higher revving engines (ie B18C), and/or lots of boost, but if you want quick spool and mid-range power for a B18A/B, and you're not wanting to run more than 15 psi, I would go with a T3 60-trim.
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SOO are you recommendinga t3/t4 or a straight t3 for the guy?
fyi he said this is for an ls which is by no means a high revving engine, i wouldn't even consider a b18c a high revving engine, unless you're talking about b18c5/6 or b18c R.
for his goals (250whp) a decently sized t3 or t3/t4 will get the job done easily.
also 60 trims and ls do not mix so well. a 60trim is a relatively "big" turbo for the category they're in. and will have a decent amount of lag. And as i'm sure he knows, ls's don't exactly have much of a high revving power band.....so adding a larger turbo on a stock ls isn't a good idea..but just myopinion.
also 15psi on a 60trim would be waaay more than enough boost for your whp goals.<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by blackeg &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">yea a nice 60 trim or super 60 t3 would be very responseful on the street. you can probably rock out a 50 trim t3t4 also</TD></TR></TABLE>
i'd recommend something more in the middle around a 56trim, 50 trim is tiny and 60 is pushing it for effeciency.

Also no one has mentioned the a/r of the turbos or the ls-t thread for people first hand experience.

read
https://honda-tech.com/zerothread/1323059


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is that a good buy?</TD></TR></TABLE>
yes, if its in good shape. however, you'll want to find out the trim size and a/r of both the intake and exhaust.

I hope this helped and i didn't come off as too much of an ***
PM if you have more questions g/l

Weston

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by CivicVX94 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">SOO are you recommendinga t3/t4 or a straight t3 for the guy?</TD></TR></TABLE>

Read my post again... it depends on what he's using it for. He told us what he's basically going for, but I showed him both options with a little explaination. Personally, I prefer a straight T3 for a LS, but I'm also a road course guy, not a drag racer... I need low lag and good mid-range power, much more than I want top-end power. I use a T3 50-trim at 5300 ft elevation, which is very similar to a T3 60-trim that is used at sea level. It has been absolutely wonderful for me for the past 3+ years that I've been using it.

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">fyi he said this is for an ls which is by no means a high revving engine, i wouldn't even consider a b18c a high revving engine, unless you're talking about b18c5/6 or b18c R.</TD></TR></TABLE>

I'm well aware that he has a LS, which you can see in pretty much all of my posts in this thread. Both the B18C1 and the B18C5 are high revving engines. They both rev to 8000+ rpm, with the C5 only going a few hundred RPM higher than the C1... not a big difference. That high redline is a significant consideration when it comes to selecting an appropriate turbo. A T3 60-trim at sea level starts running out of efficiency around 6000 RPM on a B18, so it's great for a LS (which normally runs out of power around there anyway), but if you want to to optimize power at above 6000 RPM, a T3/T4 may be the way to go... that applies to both B18C owners, and B18A/B owners who want to work on top-end power (ie drag racing or increased redline).

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">also 60 trims and ls do not mix so well. a 60trim is a relatively "big" turbo for the category they're in. and will have a decent amount of lag. And as i'm sure he knows, ls's don't exactly have much of a high revving power band.....so adding a larger turbo on a stock ls isn't a good idea..but just myopinion.
also 15psi on a 60trim would be waaay more than enough boost for your whp goals.
i'd recommend something more in the middle around a 56trim, 50 trim is tiny and 60 is pushing it for effeciency. </TD></TR></TABLE>

Umm... You must be thinking about T4 compressors, such as a T3/T4 hybrid turbo; those are entirely different animals from the T3 compressors, even if they happen to have the same trim number. Take a look at the compressor maps.

A T3 60-trim is a great fit for a LS at sea level, and it's also decent at high elevation (although I like my 50-trim for that), but a Super-60 isn't as good. Like I said above, a T3 60-trim at sea level is starting to run out of efficiency on a LS at around 6000 rpm, which is a good fit unless you're trying to optimize it for higher RPMs (ie drag racing or increased redline). A smaller T3 trim, such as 56, is just going to start running out of turbo sooner, quite possibly right in the B18B's 4500-5500 RPM sweet spot, so that wouldn't be such a great match.

If you don't believe me, take a look at the maps and run the numbers for yourself. Here's an handy calculator that does all the hard work for you... http://not2fast.wryday.com/tur...le=85

CivicVX94

ya i was thinking of t3/t4's and the 60-1, not a straight t3. that's not the same thing as a 60trim or super 60?
my mistake i guess.
and ya the a/r still plays a big role in things too

Weston

Yeah, 60-1 is way huge. T3 60-trim and Super 60 are relatively small.