spool times on lovefab sidewinder
11-13-2003, 08:45 PM
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spool times on lovefab sidewinder
Has anyone here gone from a log-style mani to the lovefab sidewinder without changing other setup factors? I'm looking for a concrete answer as to how much it changes spool time.
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11-13-2003, 09:19 PM
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Re: (WebGeek)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
he was asking for real world numbers from someone who has switched it out, not some hypothetical guess from someone on how ti will effect his setup
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yes, exactly. thanks.
he was asking for real world numbers from someone who has switched it out, not some hypothetical guess from someone on how ti will effect his setup
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yes, exactly. thanks.
11-13-2003, 11:18 PM
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Re: (WebGeek)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by WebGeek »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">he was asking for real world numbers from someone who has switched it out, not some hypothetical guess from someone on how ti will effect his setup</TD></TR></TABLE>
Well it might affect his spool times alot different than someone with a different setup. I.E. Engine, turbo size and trim. You really wont be able to get a straight answer. Id say 800rpms at the most difference.
Well it might affect his spool times alot different than someone with a different setup. I.E. Engine, turbo size and trim. You really wont be able to get a straight answer. Id say 800rpms at the most difference.
11-13-2003, 11:59 PM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by TeStUdO »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
Well it might affect his spool times alot different than someone with a different setup. I.E. Engine, turbo size and trim. You really wont be able to get a straight answer. Id say 800rpms at the most difference.</TD></TR></TABLE>
i realize that. but again, thats unnecessary. im asking to find out one piece of concrete info on someone who has swapped a log style for the sidewinder, whatever the engine and setup may be.
that being said, you mean that the sidewinder will spool at most 800 rpm SOONER right?
Well it might affect his spool times alot different than someone with a different setup. I.E. Engine, turbo size and trim. You really wont be able to get a straight answer. Id say 800rpms at the most difference.</TD></TR></TABLE>
i realize that. but again, thats unnecessary. im asking to find out one piece of concrete info on someone who has swapped a log style for the sidewinder, whatever the engine and setup may be.
that being said, you mean that the sidewinder will spool at most 800 rpm SOONER right?
11-14-2003, 12:14 AM
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why does it matter? Fact is that it will help your spool time. Why do you want concrete numbers? the ony way you will reproduce someone elses numbers is if you have the EXACT same setup. I doubt you are going to run into that here. There are just to many variables in this. Its a good manifold. Would you like to know, in terms of physics, why the manifold will flow better than a log manifold?
That may hel you out a little bit.
Rob
That may hel you out a little bit.
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11-14-2003, 12:36 AM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by rjardy »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">why does it matter? Fact is that it will help your spool time. Why do you want concrete numbers? the ony way you will reproduce someone elses numbers is if you have the EXACT same setup. I doubt you are going to run into that here. There are just to many variables in this. Its a good manifold. Would you like to know, in terms of physics, why the manifold will flow better than a log manifold?
That may hel you out a little bit.
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sure. why not... why will it flow better?
but i dont think my question is that out of place, at all. put yourself in my shoes, wouldnt you rather hear a concrete number on setup X and then use that to estimate what it could do on your engine vs. blindly listening to someone else's estimation? hell, i talked to chris lovefab on the phone myself and he didnt give me a straight number (although he was very helpful).
That may hel you out a little bit.
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sure. why not... why will it flow better?
but i dont think my question is that out of place, at all. put yourself in my shoes, wouldnt you rather hear a concrete number on setup X and then use that to estimate what it could do on your engine vs. blindly listening to someone else's estimation? hell, i talked to chris lovefab on the phone myself and he didnt give me a straight number (although he was very helpful).
11-14-2003, 12:40 AM
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Re: (nuro)
read the article the garrett engineer produced.
the sidewinder uses less runner (than an sst, full-race, kooks) and still maintains equal length, so in theory asuming pulsations are matched it should produce higher VE.
someone correct me if I am wrong on this, the trade off of longer vs. shorter runner and the trade-offs confuses me.
Modified by 94goldjungsr at 1:53 AM 11/14/2003
the sidewinder uses less runner (than an sst, full-race, kooks) and still maintains equal length, so in theory asuming pulsations are matched it should produce higher VE.
someone correct me if I am wrong on this, the trade off of longer vs. shorter runner and the trade-offs confuses me.
Modified by 94goldjungsr at 1:53 AM 11/14/2003
11-14-2003, 12:50 AM
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Re: (nuro)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by nuro »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
sure. why not... why will it flow better?
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This was posted by Boosted Hybrid regarding another equal length manifold. I hope he does not mind me using this. The same theory applies.
"The runners were created analyzing the essential length to keep the maximum amount of thermal energy into each runner. Each runner is also equal length, transfering each exhaust pulse into a low merge angle collector. The collector allows the exhaust pulsations at high rpm to form from 4 individual finite pulses into one giant pulse giving the maximum amount of thermal and sound energy into the turbine housing. The manifold doesnt per say "flow" better, it transfer the energy more efficiently to the turbine."
Rob
sure. why not... why will it flow better?
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This was posted by Boosted Hybrid regarding another equal length manifold. I hope he does not mind me using this. The same theory applies.
"The runners were created analyzing the essential length to keep the maximum amount of thermal energy into each runner. Each runner is also equal length, transfering each exhaust pulse into a low merge angle collector. The collector allows the exhaust pulsations at high rpm to form from 4 individual finite pulses into one giant pulse giving the maximum amount of thermal and sound energy into the turbine housing. The manifold doesnt per say "flow" better, it transfer the energy more efficiently to the turbine."
Rob
11-14-2003, 03:20 AM
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Every motor is different therefore you won't have the same reaction from a particular action. You won't get a concrete number because there are so many other variables that come into play.
Motor A with setup X might start spooling up 1000rpm faster
but
Motor A with setup Y might start spooling up 1000rpm faster
and
Motor A with setup X might start spooling up 1000rpm faster
Motor B with setup X might start spooling up 500rpm faster
So unless people have the same exact setup as you, the spool times will be different. With that being said, even if they someone had the same setup as you, different motors react differently. No two motors are create equal. So your question is out of place and you won't get a concrete answer. You might get a estimate answer but not a real concrete answer.
Motor A with setup X might start spooling up 1000rpm faster
but
Motor A with setup Y might start spooling up 1000rpm faster
and
Motor A with setup X might start spooling up 1000rpm faster
Motor B with setup X might start spooling up 500rpm faster
So unless people have the same exact setup as you, the spool times will be different. With that being said, even if they someone had the same setup as you, different motors react differently. No two motors are create equal. So your question is out of place and you won't get a concrete answer. You might get a estimate answer but not a real concrete answer.
11-14-2003, 03:28 AM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by ekb18c »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Every motor is different therefore you won't have the same reaction from a particular action. You won't get a concrete number because there are so many other variables that come into play.
Motor A with setup X might start spooling up 1000rpm faster
but
Motor A with setup Y might start spooling up 1000rpm faster
and
Motor A with setup X might start spooling up 1000rpm faster
Motor B with setup X might start spooling up 500rpm faster
So unless people have the same exact setup as you, the spool times will be different. With that being said, even if they someone had the same setup as you, different motors react differently. No two motors are create equal. So your question is out of place and you won't get a concrete answer. You might get a estimate answer but not a real concrete answer. </TD></TR></TABLE>
That has been stated like 50 times. Except you wasted a lot more space saying it.
Motor A with setup X might start spooling up 1000rpm faster
but
Motor A with setup Y might start spooling up 1000rpm faster
and
Motor A with setup X might start spooling up 1000rpm faster
Motor B with setup X might start spooling up 500rpm faster
So unless people have the same exact setup as you, the spool times will be different. With that being said, even if they someone had the same setup as you, different motors react differently. No two motors are create equal. So your question is out of place and you won't get a concrete answer. You might get a estimate answer but not a real concrete answer. </TD></TR></TABLE>
That has been stated like 50 times. Except you wasted a lot more space saying it.
11-14-2003, 03:56 AM
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why hasnt anyone answered his question yet? either somebody asks why he cares, or explain that each motor is different. its a simple question
"have you changed to a sidewinder and seen any differences? how much faster did it spool?"
he didnt didnt ask for anything more than that.
"have you changed to a sidewinder and seen any differences? how much faster did it spool?"
he didnt didnt ask for anything more than that.
11-14-2003, 05:05 AM
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Re: (B00stedCoupe)
SST with a T4/60-1 on an H22, 12 psi= 4500rpm
SideWinder with T4/60-1 on H22, 12 psi= 3500rpm.
People will call bullshit, do what you wish( I wish I had a Video, it was freaking inSANE).
This is what I experienced personally.
SideWinder with T4/60-1 on H22, 12 psi= 3500rpm.
People will call bullshit, do what you wish( I wish I had a Video, it was freaking inSANE).
This is what I experienced personally.
11-14-2003, 05:23 AM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Tinker219 »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">SST with a T4/60-1 on an H22, 12 psi= 4500rpm
SideWinder with T4/60-1 on H22, 12 psi= 3500rpm.
People will call bullshit, do what you wish( I wish I had a Video, it was freaking inSANE).
This is what I experienced personally.</TD></TR></TABLE>
WHAT? no ****? i was think i might get a little longer lag.
After reading this and knowing your setup and knowing the person i believe cody.
I thinks its coo-coo
SideWinder with T4/60-1 on H22, 12 psi= 3500rpm.
People will call bullshit, do what you wish( I wish I had a Video, it was freaking inSANE).
This is what I experienced personally.</TD></TR></TABLE>
WHAT? no ****? i was think i might get a little longer lag.
After reading this and knowing your setup and knowing the person i believe cody.
I thinks its coo-coo
11-14-2003, 06:47 AM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Tinker219 »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">SST with a T4/60-1 on an H22, 12 psi= 4500rpm
SideWinder with T4/60-1 on H22, 12 psi= 3500rpm.
People will call bullshit, do what you wish( I wish I had a Video, it was freaking inSANE).
This is what I experienced personally.</TD></TR></TABLE>
I wish Jon would hurry up and refund me already so I can forward it to you, Cody. Then I'd be able to answer a post like this one with fact. But 3500rpms, I can't wait. This is going to be one bad *** setup when I'm done.
SideWinder with T4/60-1 on H22, 12 psi= 3500rpm.
People will call bullshit, do what you wish( I wish I had a Video, it was freaking inSANE).
This is what I experienced personally.</TD></TR></TABLE>
I wish Jon would hurry up and refund me already so I can forward it to you, Cody. Then I'd be able to answer a post like this one with fact. But 3500rpms, I can't wait. This is going to be one bad *** setup when I'm done.
11-14-2003, 12:39 PM
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Re: (Tinker219)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Tinker219 »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">SST with a T4/60-1 on an H22, 12 psi= 4500rpm
SideWinder with T4/60-1 on H22, 12 psi= 3500rpm.
People will call bullshit, do what you wish( I wish I had a Video, it was freaking inSANE).
This is what I experienced personally.</TD></TR></TABLE>
that is insane. i am looking to hit full boost at no later than 4000 rpm. with that kind of a spool time im wondering if i shouldnt consider a bigger turbo. currently im leaning towards the sc61
SideWinder with T4/60-1 on H22, 12 psi= 3500rpm.
People will call bullshit, do what you wish( I wish I had a Video, it was freaking inSANE).
This is what I experienced personally.</TD></TR></TABLE>
that is insane. i am looking to hit full boost at no later than 4000 rpm. with that kind of a spool time im wondering if i shouldnt consider a bigger turbo. currently im leaning towards the sc61
11-14-2003, 05:59 PM
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Re: (nuro)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by nuro »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
that is insane. i am looking to hit full boost at no later than 4000 rpm. with that kind of a spool time im wondering if i shouldnt consider a bigger turbo. currently im leaning towards the sc61</TD></TR></TABLE>
Thats what im saying.
but i would lean towards something bigger then a sc61.
that is insane. i am looking to hit full boost at no later than 4000 rpm. with that kind of a spool time im wondering if i shouldnt consider a bigger turbo. currently im leaning towards the sc61</TD></TR></TABLE>
Thats what im saying.
but i would lean towards something bigger then a sc61.
11-14-2003, 06:13 PM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Soon_2b_evil »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
Thats what im saying.
but i would lean towards something bigger then a sc61.</TD></TR></TABLE>
Why go bigger than an SC61???
Thats what im saying.
but i would lean towards something bigger then a sc61.</TD></TR></TABLE>
Why go bigger than an SC61???
11-14-2003, 06:37 PM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Soon_2b_evil »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">oh nothing i have a sc63 already.
i was trying to make a funny but i guess it didnt work.
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whats ur setup man. how is that sc63 treatin u
i was trying to make a funny but i guess it didnt work.
</TD></TR></TABLE>whats ur setup man. how is that sc63 treatin u
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well im trying to keep my setup on the hush hush til its done. Cuz when its done i want touges to drop and hell no thats not right that a buch on BS, commects.
The turbo isnt only the motor yet cuz its not built yet. It looks really good on my dresser draw thou.
Kinda runnin low on funds. it happens sometime.
The turbo isnt only the motor yet cuz its not built yet. It looks really good on my dresser draw thou.
Kinda runnin low on funds. it happens sometime.
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