Something similar to GT28R or GT28RS but less expensive?
02-22-2006, 01:44 PM
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Something similar to GT28R or GT28RS but less expensive?
Hey FI guys, I'm sorta new to this turbo stuff so I don't know about many turbos
I've been researching on turbos and I really want the GT28R or GT28RS but they're damn expensive!! is there anything that is comperable to those but less expensive?
Thanks in advanced.
I've been researching on turbos and I really want the GT28R or GT28RS but they're damn expensive!! is there anything that is comperable to those but less expensive?
Thanks in advanced.
02-22-2006, 02:20 PM
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Re: Something similar to GT28R or GT28RS but less expensive? (milano2kdc2)
The GT28 is cheaper than the GT28RS, and the GT25 is cheaper than either; you can pick one up for less than $300.
But... Why do you really want a GT28RS? The look? The performance? What makes you want this turbo?
But... Why do you really want a GT28RS? The look? The performance? What makes you want this turbo?
02-22-2006, 02:38 PM
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Re: Something similar to GT28R or GT28RS but less expensive? (beepy)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by beepy »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">The GT28 is cheaper than the GT28RS, and the GT25 is cheaper than either; you can pick one up for less than $300.
But... Why do you really want a GT28RS? The look? The performance? What makes you want this turbo?</TD></TR></TABLE>
In another thread I asked about what would be great for 6psi. I read that the GT28RS and GT28R are great for 6psi and they have very quick spool time, great for road racing. I'm planning to put a turbo on my GSR with pr3 (b16) pistons for a very responsive turbo car. So basically quick spool time and a lot of low-end midrange power.
But... Why do you really want a GT28RS? The look? The performance? What makes you want this turbo?</TD></TR></TABLE>
In another thread I asked about what would be great for 6psi. I read that the GT28RS and GT28R are great for 6psi and they have very quick spool time, great for road racing. I'm planning to put a turbo on my GSR with pr3 (b16) pistons for a very responsive turbo car. So basically quick spool time and a lot of low-end midrange power.
02-22-2006, 02:47 PM
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Re: Something similar to GT28R or GT28RS but less expensive? (milano2kdc2)
How about a T3 Super 60 trim. Can pick one up dirt cheap from a junkyard and get it rebuilt, or buy one outright for about 1/4 of the price of a GT28RS.
02-22-2006, 02:57 PM
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Re: Something similar to GT28R or GT28RS but less expensive? (turboEGhatch)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by turboEGhatch »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">How about a T3 Super 60 trim. Can pick one up dirt cheap from a junkyard and get it rebuilt, or buy one outright for about 1/4 of the price of a GT28RS.</TD></TR></TABLE>
agreed
or you can get the ssautochrome disco french fry
agreed
or you can get the ssautochrome disco french fry
02-22-2006, 03:00 PM
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Ok, say I used a T3 Super 60 Trim, how much power should this setup make at 6psi?
GSR block with B16 (PR3) pistons
Stock Headgasket
Stock GSR head with ITR cams
Skunk2 Intake manifold
ITR throttle body
Ram horn manifold
Crome or Hondata tuned
Modified by milano2kdc2 at 12:17 AM 2/23/2006
GSR block with B16 (PR3) pistons
Stock Headgasket
Stock GSR head with ITR cams
Skunk2 Intake manifold
ITR throttle body
Ram horn manifold
Crome or Hondata tuned
Modified by milano2kdc2 at 12:17 AM 2/23/2006
02-22-2006, 03:44 PM
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Modified by milano2kdc2 at 12:17 AM 2/23/2006[/QUOTE]
You're still looking at this PSI number, and not looking at the CFM flow of the turbo that you need for the response and power that you need. PSI means nothing. For road racing, I'd look a little bigger, because of the fact that you're going to be at a higher rpm level, and higher throttle percentage longer than any drag racing. I'd look to something SLIGHTLY larger than the T3 Super 60 for the higher flowing head and pistons that you plan on using. GT3251s and GT3255s are good alternatives without the expense of the GT28RS and GT3071...
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Re: Something similar to GT28R or GT28RS but less expensive? (igo4bmx)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by igo4bmx »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
agreed
or you can get the ssautochrome disco french fry </TD></TR></TABLE>
we were talking about the disco potato today, we were calling the other, the hip hop french fry though.
agreed
or you can get the ssautochrome disco french fry
</TD></TR></TABLE>we were talking about the disco potato today, we were calling the other, the hip hop french fry though.
02-22-2006, 04:35 PM
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Re: Something similar to GT28R or GT28RS but less expensive? (boostedcivicsir)
you have to pay to play man, those turbo's are ball bearing turbo's and will spool alot faster then a bigger t3/t4
save your money and do it right the gt28rs is the turbo for you, u will love it
T3 Super 60 u can get new for cheap at like 7 psi u might see 250 to 260whp
ken if u need help with the install let me know
save your money and do it right the gt28rs is the turbo for you, u will love it
T3 Super 60 u can get new for cheap at like 7 psi u might see 250 to 260whp
ken if u need help with the install let me know
02-22-2006, 05:16 PM
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Re: Something similar to GT28R or GT28RS but less expensive? (milano2kdc2)
There is a reason Garrett charges so much for a GT28RS "Disco Potato"... it is freaking awesome. It is a great turbo if you are concerned with spool, and want a power-band like the one you described.
02-22-2006, 05:31 PM
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Re: Something similar to GT28R or GT28RS but less expensive? (Tornadom)
You said road racing? You don't need a turbo with a super fast spool in road racing. You spend about 0.01% of the race in first gear.
02-22-2006, 05:40 PM
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Re: Something similar to GT28R or GT28RS but less expensive? (beepy)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by beepy »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">The GT28 is cheaper than the GT28RS, and the GT25 is cheaper than either; you can pick one up for less than $300.
But... Why do you really want a GT28RS? The look? The performance? What makes you want this turbo?</TD></TR></TABLE>
By the time you pick up all the separate flanges (compressor inlet and outlet) and a new wastegate and bracket, the one that comes with it doesn't allow for clocking you end up spending about the price of the RS to get the whole R.
I'm not sure where you're getting a GT28R new for 300 bucks, I thought I got a pretty good deal for 725, by the time i had the rest of the crap for it, it was well over 9.
But... Why do you really want a GT28RS? The look? The performance? What makes you want this turbo?</TD></TR></TABLE>
By the time you pick up all the separate flanges (compressor inlet and outlet) and a new wastegate and bracket, the one that comes with it doesn't allow for clocking you end up spending about the price of the RS to get the whole R.
I'm not sure where you're getting a GT28R new for 300 bucks, I thought I got a pretty good deal for 725, by the time i had the rest of the crap for it, it was well over 9.
GT25's go for $300.
02-22-2006, 06:12 PM
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Re: Something similar to GT28R or GT28RS but less expensive? (beepy)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by beepy »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">You said road racing? You don't need a turbo with a super fast spool in road racing. You spend about 0.01% of the race in first gear.</TD></TR></TABLE>
Who cares about gear? You are in second gear at 4000 rpm you need to step on the pedal and get full boost ASAP. You need part throttle boost. You need boost basically at all times. This is why the GT series turbos are better than others. You put your foot on the pedal and the car responds. This is a must if you want to make power. Road racing you do a LOT of throttle control and can't be at WOT nearly as much as a drag race situation. The best way to do this is using ridiculously small turbines and moderate sized compressor wheels. You'll need to really spend money/time/effort regulating exhaust manifold pressure though.
If you cant afford a BB turbo, a standard T3 will be okay or small t3/t04e(which is really what the super 60 is). Throttle response is easily the most important aspect of road racing. Stage 3 turbine wheels dont offer that response regardless of what anyone says. Atleast not on 1.6-1.8 liters
Id talk to rmcdaniels in regards to this subject. Hes tried a bunch of different combos and always seems to fall back to using a supercharger. He has had GT series turbos and a twin charged system, so the guy has tried the other methods.
Who cares about gear? You are in second gear at 4000 rpm you need to step on the pedal and get full boost ASAP. You need part throttle boost. You need boost basically at all times. This is why the GT series turbos are better than others. You put your foot on the pedal and the car responds. This is a must if you want to make power. Road racing you do a LOT of throttle control and can't be at WOT nearly as much as a drag race situation. The best way to do this is using ridiculously small turbines and moderate sized compressor wheels. You'll need to really spend money/time/effort regulating exhaust manifold pressure though.
If you cant afford a BB turbo, a standard T3 will be okay or small t3/t04e(which is really what the super 60 is). Throttle response is easily the most important aspect of road racing. Stage 3 turbine wheels dont offer that response regardless of what anyone says. Atleast not on 1.6-1.8 liters
Id talk to rmcdaniels in regards to this subject. Hes tried a bunch of different combos and always seems to fall back to using a supercharger. He has had GT series turbos and a twin charged system, so the guy has tried the other methods.
02-22-2006, 06:13 PM
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Re: Something similar to GT28R or GT28RS but less expensive? (beepy)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by beepy »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">You said road racing? You don't need a turbo with a super fast spool in road racing. You spend about 0.01% of the race in first gear.</TD></TR></TABLE>
Well, I occassionally road race, but its mainly the daily driven champ. Ive heard about how well the disco potato performs on a street car, and I want something similar to it. I think the T3 Super 60 is too small for me, although it spools fast, theres not enough top end power.
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by beepy »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I never said that. GT25's go for $300. </TD></TR></TABLE>
where?
Well, I occassionally road race, but its mainly the daily driven champ. Ive heard about how well the disco potato performs on a street car, and I want something similar to it. I think the T3 Super 60 is too small for me, although it spools fast, theres not enough top end power.
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by beepy »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I never said that. GT25's go for $300. </TD></TR></TABLE>
where?
02-22-2006, 06:17 PM
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Re: Something similar to GT28R or GT28RS but less expensive? (beepy)
I didn't like my turbos for road racing (I had a GT28RS and a GT3071R), and if I did a turbo for road racing again (I use a SC now), then I'd get a big slow-spooling one like a SC61 (which is also about half the price of a GT28RS). Non-linear torque delivery is what kills you with a fast-spooling ball-bearing turbo on a road course. It's hard to roll on the throttle at the apex and smoothly track out when the torque delivery line goes vertical. I loved them for drag racing and daily driving, but on a road course not so much. It was fun to pull away drom Vipers in the straight stretches though (20+ PSI, a bit over 400 WHP), but now my car has about 100 less WHP and is faster on a road course because it is so much easier to control.
02-22-2006, 09:55 PM
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Re: Something similar to GT28R or GT28RS but less expensive? (beepy)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by beepy »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">You said road racing? You don't need a turbo with a super fast spool in road racing. You spend about 0.01% of the race in first gear.</TD></TR></TABLE>
I'm not even talking about 1st gear. I'm looking at his ENTIRE band. Responsive spool is not in the first gear only. It is in the RECOVERY of positive manifold pressure between gears in road racing, of course depending upon the track. I've done nothing but road race turbo hondas for several years now.
I'm not even talking about 1st gear. I'm looking at his ENTIRE band. Responsive spool is not in the first gear only. It is in the RECOVERY of positive manifold pressure between gears in road racing, of course depending upon the track. I've done nothing but road race turbo hondas for several years now.
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Modified by milano2kdc2 at 12:17 AM 2/23/2006</TD></TR></TABLE>
You're still looking at this PSI number, and not looking at the CFM flow of the turbo that you need for the response and power that you need. PSI means nothing. For road racing, I'd look a little bigger, because of the fact that you're going to be at a higher rpm level, and higher throttle percentage longer than any drag racing. I'd look to something SLIGHTLY larger than the T3 Super 60 for the higher flowing head and pistons that you plan on using. GT3251s and GT3255s are good alternatives without the expense of the GT28RS and GT3071...[/QUOTE]
where would i find a GT3251s or GT3255s? how much do they usually go for?
Modified by milano2kdc2 at 12:17 AM 2/23/2006</TD></TR></TABLE>
You're still looking at this PSI number, and not looking at the CFM flow of the turbo that you need for the response and power that you need. PSI means nothing. For road racing, I'd look a little bigger, because of the fact that you're going to be at a higher rpm level, and higher throttle percentage longer than any drag racing. I'd look to something SLIGHTLY larger than the T3 Super 60 for the higher flowing head and pistons that you plan on using. GT3251s and GT3255s are good alternatives without the expense of the GT28RS and GT3071...[/QUOTE]
where would i find a GT3251s or GT3255s? how much do they usually go for?
02-22-2006, 10:52 PM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by turbozxi »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Nothing wrong with a T3/To4e .63 ar......</TD></TR></TABLE>Can make 400whp and have similar response, on SR20's anyway.
02-23-2006, 12:05 AM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by beepy »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">The GT28 is cheaper than the GT28RS, and the GT25 is cheaper than either; you can pick one up for less than $300.</TD></TR></TABLE>
For real? Everywhere I look its over $1000..Please give a link to where they sell for less then $300..
For real? Everywhere I look its over $1000..Please give a link to where they sell for less then $300..
02-23-2006, 12:06 AM
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Re: Something similar to GT28R or GT28RS but less expensive? (beepy)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by beepy »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">The GT28 is cheaper than the GT28RS, and the GT25 is cheaper than either; you can pick one up for less than $300.
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Please let me know where you can get a GT25 for less than $300, cause I would love to get a few at that price.
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Please let me know where you can get a GT25 for less than $300, cause I would love to get a few at that price.
