Someone Convince Me Not To Do This Once And For All: H22 or C1 in a Teg
06-15-2003, 08:17 PM
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Someone Convince Me Not To Do This Once And For All: H22 or C1 in a Teg
Ok, ive been debating this FOREVER. Im really curious to try out the H22 into the teg but not sure if its worth the work. But also, its about the same price in the end as for a C1 plus more HP and Torque. So my question is why not.
I guess whats holding me up is the aftermarket availability for the H22 and how well the H22 would handle my future turbo, especially with the Rod to Stroke ratio. But in the end I would have more HP with a turboed H22 than a turboed C1.
im sure most people will say just to do the C1 but please, give reasonable reasons why and just dont regurgatate what others say / have said. Thanks alot guys.
I guess whats holding me up is the aftermarket availability for the H22 and how well the H22 would handle my future turbo, especially with the Rod to Stroke ratio. But in the end I would have more HP with a turboed H22 than a turboed C1.
im sure most people will say just to do the C1 but please, give reasonable reasons why and just dont regurgatate what others say / have said. Thanks alot guys.
06-15-2003, 08:22 PM
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Re: Someone Convince Me Not To Do This Once And For All: H22 or C1 in a Teg (smallttocs)
depending on what you want to do with the motor. if you want to run higher boost you can drop pistons/rods in the c1 and call it a day. You can't just drop pistons in a h22, you will need to resleeve the block due to the type of cylinder walls the h22 houses. 
I say go with the h22 though. My friends turbo/nitrous h22a hatch sounds like a ******* jet
I say go with the h22 though. My friends turbo/nitrous h22a hatch sounds like a ******* jet
06-15-2003, 08:56 PM
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Re: Someone Convince Me Not To Do This Once And For All: H22 or C1 in a Teg (godnf8)
if it were me i would pick the h22 , just to try something different
06-15-2003, 08:59 PM
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Re: Someone Convince Me Not To Do This Once And For All: H22 or C1 in a Teg (JonnyDanger)
So how well can the H22 handle boost with stock internals?
06-15-2003, 09:14 PM
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Re: Someone Convince Me Not To Do This Once And For All: H22 or C1 in a Teg (smallttocs)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by smallttocs »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">So how well can the H22 handle boost with stock internals?</TD></TR></TABLE>
maybe a better question would be how much boost can an H22 or a B18C handle in stock form and still be reliable?
maybe a better question would be how much boost can an H22 or a B18C handle in stock form and still be reliable?
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Re: Someone Convince Me Not To Do This Once And For All: H22 or C1 in a Teg (keebler65)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by keebler65 »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
maybe a better question would be how much boost can an H22 or a B18C handle in stock form and still be reliable?</TD></TR></TABLE>
the b18c has been tested over and over for this. its around 10psi if you really wanna push it. I know the b18c1 could easily handle it... but i need to know how H22's resond to boost. that is the determining factor here for me.
maybe a better question would be how much boost can an H22 or a B18C handle in stock form and still be reliable?</TD></TR></TABLE>
the b18c has been tested over and over for this. its around 10psi if you really wanna push it. I know the b18c1 could easily handle it... but i need to know how H22's resond to boost. that is the determining factor here for me.
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06-16-2003, 12:03 PM
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Re: Someone Convince Me Not To Do This Once And For All: H22 or C1 in a Teg (smallttocs)
From what I have seen the H22 sleeves seem prone to cracking even at low boost. I would do the C1 for the cams, the ability to hold a good amount of boost, and the ease of modification. The H22 seems like it would throw off the weight balance of a teg.
06-16-2003, 12:09 PM
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Re: Someone Convince Me Not To Do This Once And For All: H22 or C1 in a Teg (smallttocs)
H22's are a good platform, even considering that you'll probably blow it up with stock internals and have to resleeve it as well as new pistons, it pulls harder than a c1 would running same boost and around the same turbo on vafc hack, i know ive ridden in both of them, they still have yet to race. another thing you can do is, just take your turbo setup for the H22 and then run the weisco slip skirt design and not have to worry about the stock cylinder walls, seeing as this design wont hurt them. but built, i think the h22 would annhilate the c1 running the same setup, obviously due to displacement, for junkyard turbo go with the c1, for more power and better times with a little more work, go with the h22, its worth it.
if there is anything that is questionable please let me know, im still learning about fi and want to learn it right, thx. good luck with the choices.
if there is anything that is questionable please let me know, im still learning about fi and want to learn it right, thx. good luck with the choices.
06-16-2003, 12:20 PM
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Re: Someone Convince Me Not To Do This Once And For All: H22 or C1 in a Teg (4gen)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by 4gen »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"> another thing you can do is, just take your turbo setup for the H22 and then run the weisco slip skirt design and not have to worry about the stock cylinder walls, seeing as this design wont hurt them. </TD></TR></TABLE>
what is the "weisco slip skirt design"?
and thanks for the input everyone. i still need more convincing one way or the other.
what is the "weisco slip skirt design"?
and thanks for the input everyone. i still need more convincing one way or the other.
06-16-2003, 01:38 PM
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Re: Someone Convince Me Not To Do This Once And For All: H22 or C1 in a Teg (smallttocs)
Go with the B18C1. Less headaches on getting a turbo to work, lighter front end, the swap itself is going to be a ton easier, more aftermarket for the b-series, and, imo, a turbo H22 is going to make way too much torque to be useable on the street.
06-16-2003, 03:49 PM
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Re: Someone Convince Me Not To Do This Once And For All: H22 or C1 in a Teg (DC2R714)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by DC2R714 »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">From what I have seen the H22 sleeves seem prone to cracking even at low boost. I would do the C1 for the cams, the ability to hold a good amount of boost, and the ease of modification. The H22 seems like it would throw off the weight balance of a teg.</TD></TR></TABLE>
Wrong. The thing that h-series have problems with is ringlands not the sleeves. i have yet to see someone with a stock h-series crack a sleeve.
Wrong. The thing that h-series have problems with is ringlands not the sleeves. i have yet to see someone with a stock h-series crack a sleeve.
06-16-2003, 06:48 PM
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Re: Someone Convince Me Not To Do This Once And For All: H22 or C1 in a Teg (smallttocs)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by smallttocs »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
what is the "weisco slip skirt design"?
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thats an aftermarket piston
what is the "weisco slip skirt design"?
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thats an aftermarket piston
06-16-2003, 10:16 PM
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Re: Someone Convince Me Not To Do This Once And For All: H22 or C1 in a Teg (smallttocs)
Well think about it this way what do all of the fast fast honda's run besides steph the all run B series and there are alot of them in the 8's now. The only reason that stephs car is faster is cuase it's a full tube frame car that weighs nothing. You will have alot of problems with breaking stuff, axles, motor mounts and prolly many other things. You have to cut and weld things for the H22 cable shifting. Just not worth the hassle when I bet money that you can go faster with the B series cuase for one the motor is lighter and 2 they put plenty of HP numbers for anyone.
06-16-2003, 10:26 PM
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Re: (Type-GS-R-Turbo)
Hey Johnny Danger thats awesome with the FULLRACE turbo kit I'am doing the same thing I have a 98 GSR also and I just ordered my kit from geof. What is gonna be your exact setup.
06-16-2003, 10:45 PM
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Re: (turboDC2)
the H22 only weighs about 80-90lbs more than any b-series engine. considering my car wont have ac and a few other things that add up the wieght... it will basically be the same. axles wont break if you know what you're doing and shift linkage with a 90-97 Accord Shift Linkage, with all lines running up to cabin. the engine mounts that would be used are the HCP ones. no problems there. so all those are non factors.
anyone else?
anyone else?
06-17-2003, 11:02 AM
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Re: (smallttocs)
well maybe now the decision should now be up to you, you were given the facts, and opinions, they are probably both good platforms, ones going to be harder to put in, its heavier but it can handle more, the other one parts are easier to get, lots of people have knowledge on them so if you have a problem the information is readily available. maybe you need to write on a piece of paper the pros and cons of each setup and make your decision.
06-17-2003, 11:25 AM
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Re: (sharkcohen)
ok since none of that good info swayed u in any way, i'll try to make it easy for you.
If your wanna rev high and make power high go with the b-series
or
If your want alot of torque to match the power go with the h-series
If your wanna rev high and make power high go with the b-series
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If your want alot of torque to match the power go with the h-series
06-17-2003, 12:17 PM
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Re: (fmaxturbochic)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by fmaxturbochic »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">maybe you need to write on a piece of paper the pros and cons of each setup and make your decision. </TD></TR></TABLE>
yeah i think thats what it comes down to. thanks alot guys. its not ganna be an easy decision.
yeah i think thats what it comes down to. thanks alot guys. its not ganna be an easy decision.