Toti

All right guys im planning to do a swap on my Ek hatch, i will need your HELP and OPINION on this matter. (please correct me if im wrong or missing something this is my first honda MOD)
Here are my choices:

1st: SOHC Turbo

D16Y8 head match port
Cams and Camgears
Homemade turbo/ or kit
Eagle rods/LS rods
Vitara pistons
Stock block
External wastegate
Crome tuned
Custom Exhaust
Fuel rails and fuel regulator
DSM injectors

2nd: NA B16

If i swap a B16a2 motor its going to be Bar'd
Carb legal intake
DC headers
Greddy exhaust

Which one is more reliable?how much do you guys think it would cost me??i made up my mind on the 2 motor setup, so i dont need advice for that, what i need is a choice between 1 & 2
Im keeping a pretty tight budget too, So PLEASE lead me to the right Path

As you can see on my sig my hatch is my DD, so it means it needs to be reliable. I drive the Hatch to work around 20 miles a day and Max 300 miles on a weekend.

Thanks for looking and the help!! More HP to you!
God bless!

CFDOHCVTECEG

B16 all the way! I've had a turbo d series and now I have a NA b16a. My d series blew after about a month or so. It wasn't very reliable... They are both about the same amount of fun thought. whichever you do I'm sure you will be happy with either one.

broketuner-Sol_Si

Well, to offer a different perspective from the one above, I had a semi built NA b16 that I BARd first (also expect to pay a lot more if you're going to attempt to BAR a swap getting all the right USDM parts...USDM p30 ECU was by far the priceist used part I ever bopught...it was very fun over the stock d15b7(SOHC non vtec), but after nearly 2 grand in various mods and tuning costs I was still at only 160whp/110ft/lbs, but like I said it was a great setup for a DD and very reliable

I'm now trying out the turbo D series scene, and to be honest, if it's built/tuned right it can last as long as any NA motor. to put it into pure #s for you, I spent about 6k (including the swap, extra BAR ****, different mods(including 3 different headers other than stock) and lots of tuning) I traded that hatch for my sol, and with less than 1200 I'm able to get a full tune, and a used greddy setup and be making about 160-170whp and 140-150ft/lbs(projected #s based on identical setups) and it ill still be very reliable. with Vitara pistons, ARP hardware an LS rods and the infamous zex cam I can be safely making around 225-250whp( a member had this setup for over a year and a half with 0 problems...until the motor blew shortly after a bad tuning session...tuned it way too lean)...it's all in the tune

blackeg

boost the sohc! it will give you more tq and a much more useable powerband. plus its boost so its fun

redzcstandardhatch

if you do it right, the boosted SOHC will be wonderfully reliable.

if you blew it up in a month, you werent doing it right.

its all in the quality of the assembly, and the tuning. i ran over 300 whp through my sohc NON vtec for over a year, and it never failed me. killed the battery once, thats it! hah..

popped a sleeve, asking too much from pump gas.

nothing like driving to the track, running a 12.4@117 with a crappy 60ft (i suck at drag racing so far, and the car isnt set up for it really), and driving home. all without an extra cam or vtec. speed on a budget

delslo93

boost single cam. Will def. be more fun in my opinion. But if you can do it boost the b16!

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Its stuff like that I just can't stand. D16s are rarely maintained. Not that you didn't, but 90% of the d16's I've pulled apart look worse inside than most of the 30-40yr old v8's I used to pull from the junkyards and rebuild.

The fact is if you build a reliable setup on a healthy motor, it will work fine. Revving to 9k on a 15yr old B16 thats been beat to hell by its 6 previous motors won't go over well simply because its got 2 cams.

Go with whatever you know best. If you can't fabricate, usually turbocharging isn't for you.

SovXietday

You're going to poor all that money into a B16, come out and say... well this is kinda faster.

Put the same kind of money that you're going to spend on that swap to get it BAR and everything, you could have a 250-300whp Dseries that's as reliable as it was stock. If you're smart about it, you won't blow anything up.

dizzyek

If you just want a fun daily driver
boost the y8 stock maybe with some head studs and GET IT TUNNED PROPERLEY
You could easily and saftley put down around 220-230whp on a solid tune, which is perfect for a DD. Take the extra cash and get some nice tires a full street and dyno tune and maybe lsd and traction bars.

if you do blow it up just by another y8 300 to 400 dollars if that

Then boost it again

katoeh2o

You won't hear any spool up on an n/a b16

nonvtecD

I've done both like the first reply had and my D series was faster and more fun... And just as reliable.

S@nt0s

once its said and done the SOHC will put out DOUBLE THE TORQUE a puny B16 will

Toti

aight right now i got im interested on the SOHC, since its cheaper, more fun and yeah my friends are telling me that the torque on a b16 sucks.

Lets say i go with the sohc setup, how much do you think it would cost me?can you give me a rough estimate?if i go sohc turbo im just gonna go t28 you guys think thats enough?

And if i go B16, i have the peace of mind that when i get pulled over im not gonna be scarred to get my hood pop'd.

keep em coming guys, this is helping a LOT.
thanks again.

S@nt0s

that depends on the $ of the parts you get..
you can do a complete vitara block with LS rods and do a turbo set up for abotu 2K if you play your cards right..
i would go a lil bigger on the turbo tho.. t28 is good for a stock motor..
i plan on down grding from my t3t4 to a gt28rs .82 a/r on mine...

Toti

S@ntos: i got most of the parts already, the head, block LS rods, cams and camgears.So i think its gonna be less than 2k all i need now is the adaptor for my turbo manifold do you know where to get it?im using a stock CT26 from my 3sgte by the way.

and also i need an intake manifold, is there any aftermarket one for a SOHC?also my stock manifold wont work right?its pointing upwards like the old school one's.

When is the next meet at wilson park??

thanks guys!!

S@nt0s

contact James at JG-Fab here on H-T..
manifold wise you can use the Y8 stock one which is a good one
skunk and edel. make IM for the D....

wilson park will be again next fall...

Toti

cool ill try to get the skunk2.
also where cani get the bushing for the LS rodsits getting harder and harder to find.

thanks for the help bro.

nonvtecD

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How many cams are you putting in?

dohcdelsol

haha askin to go Na or b00st in a forced induction forum.

gee i wonder what responce you would get if you asked the same question in the All Motor forum?

that gave me a chuckle.

sohc turbo

carbon fiber coupe

iTrader: (2)

D16 turbo more bang for your buck

SOHC_MShue

you'd be crazy to choose a b16 over a boosted sohc.

broketuner-Sol_Si

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Blox also just released one

THEDirtyDseriesWOOT

turbo d16 is gonna be way faster and more fun and just about as cheap.. but not reliable alot of upkeep too

othe rhand a b16 is gonna be no upkeep just change the oil once and a while rev it hard all day long it will go strong.. but its gonna be slow..

Turbodseries

http://videos.streetfire.net/s...1.htm
12seconds on and off the street 12.6@110mph 13psi

i hate it when people say.. yea turbo the d and it makes 300hp turbo b and you will make more. boy do i got something to say about it.... first of all once you turbo a b series you spending twice to even four times as much. since the stock motor runs you around 3g after everything. second tuning in a b series is a lot harder than a single cam. the profile on the dohc vtec cam has a lot of more duration which doesn't go hand to hand with turbo. so you're going to end up buying new camshaft and cam gear to max its potential. second of all you can't boost a b16 because of high compression and last b16 won't make anymore power than a d16 cause both of those cylinder gonna crank when you reach over 300hp. so it's really pointless if you turbo charging a b16. plus your gonna lagg like crazy cause the b16 likes runs a bigger turbo than a d16. etc.. etc.. etc. i could go on forever.. and NO i have nothing against b-series. the b16b is my favorite motor...

THEDirtyDseriesWOOT

yah i have a way better turbo d movie than that ..
http://videos.streetfire.net/v...d.htm
here is my turbo d movie also doing 12's.. on a y7 head non vtec..
MY NEW MOTOR IS GONNA BE READY TOMORROW
Gt30R top mount the works gonna run 10s or bust