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"Lower Boost, lower rev motor...Skunk2 PRO Series FTW"
That point being made I run a Blox manifold but I also do not consider my build a "Race" build. The victor has been proven to be a better choice in drag race applications. IF I were looking to upgrade manifolds I would likely choose the KMS modified performer x. A race application needs to be chosen for each application and tested for optimal performance, if you don't have the money or time to test components you will always be chasing the guy who is.
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So what if something is fair? I can tell you many reasons why this is just another beta testing project they dumped into the consumers lap.
1.) Provisions for Older style IAT...
2.) 90mm TB port
3.) Coolant hook ups open to imagination
4.) No provisions for IACV
5.) No provisions for TB linkage
The only real things it brings to the table is you can open it up and close it back while watching TV and eating Funions. So what? The other positive thing would be resale value for multiple bolt patterens, but with everything missing and it being SPECIFICLY designed for a B-series, it's not worth it.
Penny for penny you are better off having a custom manifold made or finding an alternative route. ESPECIALLY if you are looking at this for a Forced Induction setup. I hope somebody does do a side by side comparision of right out of the box with this new manifold and the pro version. They target street cars in their description as well, maybe that's why I am sour about it too.
1.) Provisions for Older style IAT...
2.) 90mm TB port
3.) Coolant hook ups open to imagination
4.) No provisions for IACV
5.) No provisions for TB linkage
The only real things it brings to the table is you can open it up and close it back while watching TV and eating Funions. So what? The other positive thing would be resale value for multiple bolt patterens, but with everything missing and it being SPECIFICLY designed for a B-series, it's not worth it.
Penny for penny you are better off having a custom manifold made or finding an alternative route. ESPECIALLY if you are looking at this for a Forced Induction setup. I hope somebody does do a side by side comparision of right out of the box with this new manifold and the pro version. They target street cars in their description as well, maybe that's why I am sour about it too.
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Reall really shitty points...
This is a RACE part
OBD2 IAT sensors cannot be used in boosted applications.
90mm TB.... Have you paid attention to what is being used in high HP applications?
Coolant ports support provisions for ALL b-series heads, why is this bad?
IACV... See again RACE part. Most racers are competent enough to tune a car to idle without IACV.
TB linkage.... I've got nothing, but I haven't had one in hand and the only photos seem to be prototype.
This is a RACE part
OBD2 IAT sensors cannot be used in boosted applications.
90mm TB.... Have you paid attention to what is being used in high HP applications?
Coolant ports support provisions for ALL b-series heads, why is this bad?
IACV... See again RACE part. Most racers are competent enough to tune a car to idle without IACV.
TB linkage.... I've got nothing, but I haven't had one in hand and the only photos seem to be prototype.
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Haha, coming from you I will take it with a grain of salt. Coming directly from their website: "Fits ALL popular chassis configurations - NOT JUST RACE CARS"... soo, with that being said show me where it says it is a RACE ONLY manifold. Also, if you look at my last sentence that YOU quoted, you would see where my bitch comes into play.
You are surely clueless if you think you can't use an OBD-2 IAT in Forced Induction.
Idling at 1,500 should be saved for VTEC killer cams.
Show me a 4 banger that NEEDS a 90mm (3.5") throttle body in forced induction. 3" piping can support almost 90lbs per min which is around a 67mm turbo = 8 second car. So again, I reiterate, when you are at that level you aren't even remotely looking at off the shelf parts. If you are, then you shouldn't be racing.
The coolant port comment was because it isn't threaded or anything and it seems the proper outlets aren't supplied. Let's face it, they aren't producing this stuff anymore and parts ARE drying up.
So stop nut-swinging and think before you speak.
You are surely clueless if you think you can't use an OBD-2 IAT in Forced Induction.
Idling at 1,500 should be saved for VTEC killer cams.
Show me a 4 banger that NEEDS a 90mm (3.5") throttle body in forced induction. 3" piping can support almost 90lbs per min which is around a 67mm turbo = 8 second car. So again, I reiterate, when you are at that level you aren't even remotely looking at off the shelf parts. If you are, then you shouldn't be racing.
The coolant port comment was because it isn't threaded or anything and it seems the proper outlets aren't supplied. Let's face it, they aren't producing this stuff anymore and parts ARE drying up.
So stop nut-swinging and think before you speak.
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If I had to guess I'd say that's NevahSatisfied(or however it was spelled). He knows what he's talking about and he has the same rough attitude.
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Reall really shitty points...
This is a RACE part
OBD2 IAT sensors cannot be used in boosted applications.
90mm TB.... Have you paid attention to what is being used in high HP applications?
Coolant ports support provisions for ALL b-series heads, why is this bad?
IACV... See again RACE part. Most racers are competent enough to tune a car to idle without IACV.
TB linkage.... I've got nothing, but I haven't had one in hand and the only photos seem to be prototype.
This is a RACE part
OBD2 IAT sensors cannot be used in boosted applications.
90mm TB.... Have you paid attention to what is being used in high HP applications?
Coolant ports support provisions for ALL b-series heads, why is this bad?
IACV... See again RACE part. Most racers are competent enough to tune a car to idle without IACV.
TB linkage.... I've got nothing, but I haven't had one in hand and the only photos seem to be prototype.
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Sheepy comes to mind.... His car seems pretty fast. It went faster with this manifold correct?
To be clear I don't currently have any S2 parts in my engine so I hardly ride nuts. I DON'T know if this manifold is great or not, but its another choice. I have no plans to try this manifold, much too large/expensive for my car.
To be clear I don't currently have any S2 parts in my engine so I hardly ride nuts. I DON'T know if this manifold is great or not, but its another choice. I have no plans to try this manifold, much too large/expensive for my car.
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from the drag racing section under intake manifold dicussion
https://honda-tech.com/forums/showth...513022&page=25
https://honda-tech.com/forums/showth...513022&page=25
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Failed at WHAT?
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The manifold never cracked. The deal was... Sheepy had a 1st. article and that 1st. article had non-graded M6 bolts to hold the throttle body to the manifold as well as non-graded bolts to hold the adaptor to the manifold and the plenum to the adaptor. The hardware was not the problem here... it was that all of the threads were shallow and there wasnt a whole lot of thread engagement.
ALL of these issues have been fixed! The throttle body is mounted with high quality M8 bolts now and all the holes elsewhere have been drilled deeper and threaded completely for better thread engagement as well as much better M6 hardware.
ALL of these issues have been fixed! The throttle body is mounted with high quality M8 bolts now and all the holes elsewhere have been drilled deeper and threaded completely for better thread engagement as well as much better M6 hardware.
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What are you talking about? BETTER quality! You have not even held one... so your making you assumptions on WHAT? Pictures! The pictures of this thing look great! So stupid... its a 1/3 of the price of a Kinsler manifold and it actually fits more than just a race car.
Time will tell... as these start to find their way into consumers hands you'll see the truth but until then, I guess you can just keep guessing.
Failed at WHAT?
Time will tell... as these start to find their way into consumers hands you'll see the truth but until then, I guess you can just keep guessing.
Failed at WHAT?
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Sounds like it. They put sooo much R&D and enjunearnenen into it that they don't know thread engagement of bolts? That is just down right pathetic. It shows lack of attention to detail and engineering flaws. If you can't get simple bolts right, how in the hell is the rest of supposed to perform correctly? Everything about the manifold can be CALCULATED. WHY would you make a prototype with such simple design flaws in place? Lack of knowledge or a thrown together/rushed design, that's how.
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Quoted from another thread here on Honda-tech where we are talking about the SAME things and defending the product from the SAME people!
https://honda-tech.com/forums/showth...3074563&page=5
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Sounds like it. They put sooo much R&D and enjunearnenen into it that they don't know thread engagement of bolts? That is just down right pathetic. It shows lack of attention to detail and engineering flaws. If you can't get simple bolts right, how in the hell is the rest of supposed to perform correctly? Everything about the manifold can be CALCULATED. WHY would you make a prototype with such simple design flaws in place? Lack of knowledge or a thrown together/rushed design, that's how.
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I'd like to add that its not a design flaw when its a prototype. It was not thrown together... it was being used in a very specific way and the owner of the car did something else with it. He also takes responsibility for not saying something to Miller prior to it having an issue or controlling the situation (the cheap shot Miller took) after it had its issues.
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You design and then build a manifold (when I say you, I surely don't mean YOU, you lack what is needed, clearly) that has RACE CAR attached to it you look at the end user first. What is the top guy running for pressures? Then you calculate a safety factor to further aid in potential lawsuits (let's face it, the world we live in is full of them no matter how silly). If this was strictly a street car application I could possibly reason with you. Stop making excuses to try and cover up the obvious design flaws. Maybe you should talk to somebody that actually works in the design department and have them develop in secret so your "protoype" failures aren't instantly made public.
If you truly do work for Junk2 then you sure do represent the company in a sad unprofessional manner. That in itself is truly pathetic. We slap Skunk2 stickers on knock off parts to make them just like you do.
Either way, I wish I would have seen the cat fight in the All Motor section earlier. That is some funny stuff.
If you truly do work for Junk2 then you sure do represent the company in a sad unprofessional manner. That in itself is truly pathetic. We slap Skunk2 stickers on knock off parts to make them just like you do.
Either way, I wish I would have seen the cat fight in the All Motor section earlier. That is some funny stuff.
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Quoted from another thread here on Honda-tech where we are talking about the SAME things and defending the product from the SAME people!
https://honda-tech.com/forums/showth...3074563&page=5
https://honda-tech.com/forums/showth...3074563&page=5
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Nothing has changed with the design of the manifold, so how could it be a design flaw? The casting in the areas where the problems occurred were more than capable of being drilled and tapped larger and deeper... why they were not I dont know. In my eyes this was not a design issue but rather an error in judgement.
You can try to insult me all you want and talk about how I dont represent the company well but your the one picking the product apart and starting crap while hiding behind a screen name. I'm trying to do everything I can to defend this product from people with hidden agenda's.
You can try to insult me all you want and talk about how I dont represent the company well but your the one picking the product apart and starting crap while hiding behind a screen name. I'm trying to do everything I can to defend this product from people with hidden agenda's.
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After this ifo, i'm selling my itbs, going to a manifold setup, this is possibly in the weighted options. I also have a close friend of mine, who's also willing to do a 1 off intake manifold for me as well..which i have no doubt that it would perform quite well.
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