SiRkid

I dont like the torque curve but this car scoots, thats for sure.
AEM EMS controlled.
2g Dyno- TQ


2G Dyno-HP


Dyno-2G DSM
http://www.dsmporn.com/movies/other/...0awhp_dyno.mpg

Road Course Vid (This was fastest car in the Competition):

http://www.dsmporn.com/movies/road_r...rse_Winner.mpg

SiRkid

Inside the viper for the test(various pictures and info)

Acceleration and braking tests
Roadcourse
Base price
Skidpad
Grandma test
Drivability
Peak power
Gross HP Display
Photoshoot
Car show
Gas mileage

HXMan

Anyone know how the skyline blew up?

racinskittle

Damn, where are you guys seeing this? I wanna watch.

boosted92

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by HXMan &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Anyone know how the skyline blew up?</TD></TR></TABLE>

Dude on the viper pages said it dropped a rod while hot lapping the road course.

0KStuned

so who won? Who got second place???

I have been searching all over the internet, I NEED NEED to know who won and what cars made it!!!!!!

Does anyone know where I can find out! This is driving me crazy.

metal-x

1.5 kB/s download

pissedoffsol

As told by Sean Morris of RBmotoring.com
-------------------------------------------------------

2003 marks the third year of the Ulimate Street Car Challenge held by
Sport Compact Car Magazine. Some people say its the forth year , but the
guys at SCC say "that was something different". The first year I
entered Nick Wongs R32 , and Blackbird. Blackbird was voted in , but
sold to Craig Lieberman prior to the event. Justin Sykes's R33 was ran
at the first event. We did not do as well as we wanted the first year
and got 7th place overall. Even though we were 2nd down the drag strip,
and 0-60. The second year I entered Hiros R32. Hiro had problems with
his car and Daniel Suh's R33 filled in. Finishing 2nd overall , by 5
points was a little disappointing.

This year I entered Nick Wongs R32 again , and RB Motorings R34 GT-R.
The R34 got sold prior to the event , the alternate car was Nicks R32.
Nicks car came out to RB Motoring about 2 months prior to the event. It
was already together and tuned. It had been setup for One Lap of America
. The last time on the dyno the R32 made 608 rwhp and 477 ft/lbs of
torque. This was in Chicago . Eric Hsu from XS Engineering and myself
flew up to tune the car. Then last Septemeber I flew up to Chicago for a
little test. We had a drag strip day at US41 Dragstrip in Indiana with
Mid West F-Body , and Syclone /Typhoon guys. Then the next day was a
test with Speedtrial ,USA at Gingerman Raceway in Michigan.

We were pretty happy with the drag strip results. First pass was a
12.0@124 . By the end of the day I had it down to 11.1@128 , and
11.1@129 mph back to back. Not too bad on Pirelli P-Zero Rossos.

Nicks R32 came out , and we started to work on the car. Doing general
clean up of it. Underneath with Simple Green and scrubbing brushes for
hours and hours. We had our long list of things we wanted to change.
Extra parts to order , and what we were going to do to try and win the
contest.

Some pictures of what we did and were working on can be found in our
gallery.

&gt; http://rbmotoring.com/gallery/...ksR32


We did a couple of track days in Nicks R32. We had one up at
Buttonwillow , and one test day at the Streets of Willow. We knew how
testing was important to work out the bugs. And there were bugs . We
caught part of the electrical harness on fire up at Buttonwillow.
Luckily it didnt do any real damage . We had lots of electrical tape ,
and ended up spending a bit of time seperating wires and making sure
they wouldnt short together anymore. Something good to consider is
moving the harness that runs up the inside frame rail to the MAF meters
. With the single turbo conversion , out on the track , even with heat
wrapping we managed to catch it on fire

The next track day we had some wastegate issues. It actually turned out
to be a gasket issue with the wastegate. We lost the gasket and that
melted our plastic T to the bottom of the wastegate. With no signal
going to the bottom of the wastegate , we kept hitting boost cut. With
one hours sleep , I was having problems diagnosing it . So to cure that
we ran steel braided lines and a metal T. In addition to that we
replaced the gaskets. Taking the old wastegate on and off we ran into a
problem , we cracked one of the mounting flanges. So we got a new wastegate.

Once we found out what cars were in the contest , we started to do
research on what we were up against. Its funny how much information you
can find out on the internet. We actually started a little file on the
cars we were going to compete with in the contest. Several cars dropped
out , and the list of 10 vehicles seemed to be a little fluid. Changing
often. Even in the last few days several cars dropped out , and were
filled in with last minute replacements. We stopped updating the gallery
on Nicks car - well at least the gallery that everyone could see. Some
of the last minute details , little things we were doing , we didnt want
other people to see.

&gt; http://rbmotoring.com/gallery/...bum02


The final look of the car with the BBS LM's. The tires we were running .
The exhuast setup we had. The final engine look. The heat shields. The
355 front Brembos , the 345 rear Brembos.

In the last few weeks before the contest , we really started working on
the car non stop. Getting the final details done on the car. There were
things we wanted to do , but didnt get done. I really wanted to do a
dragstrip test on the Hoosiers , just to see how they would hook , but
one of those things we ran out of time on. I did get a change to do a
couple 1.6 bar launches out in the alley beside our shop. Setting up and
tweaking the HKS ETC. I ended up with about 25 % of torque to the front.
Still getting a lot of wheel spin at the top of first on the BFGoodrich
KD's.

The Saturday before the event we went to XS Engineering to retune the
car. We were hoping , with more boost ,the exhaust cutout , and the
methanol/water injection we would be around 650 hp to the wheels. We had
to reset the fuel pressure , as the last time we tuned the car we didn't
have a fuel pressure gage. We had a lot of issues with the methanol
injection on the dyno . Lots of breaking up .We ended up tuning it , and
then going back and trying to tune the methanol. 1.6 bar of boost - 570
hp to the wheels. 1.6 bar of boost , +4 degrees of timing , methanol on
, we made 555 hp. Tuned the methanol off , timing back to normal , and
we made 570 hp again. The 1.6 was our tune for the road course.
Methanol was out.

Next we went for the dyno/dragstrip tune. Cranked the boost up and did a
pass. Boost was dropping a lot at the top. Peaking at 1.96 bar of boost
, and then dropping down to about 1.45 bar by 8200 rpm. We tweaked the
wastegate until we were almost all the way down. It just did not want to
hold boost. We speculated that the exhaust housing was too small. We
were meeting our original goals of good response , and 600 horsepower to
the wheels. We ended up at 594 rwhp and 498 ft/lbs of torque . Not
really where we wanted to be. We were looking for something more like
650 - 670 rwhp. The torque was up from the last dyno , but the power was
not where we wanted it. That was what the car made , and it was really
too late to change anything major. Nick wanted to put nitrous on it.
Normally I am all for nitrous , but in order to finish first , first you
must finish. We debated a single fogger for another 50-75 horsepower .
We debated the direct port. I was worried about how much fuel pump we
had , and if we could support 750 -800 rwhp if we used a direct port
setup. And I was worried about fuel and nitrous distribution on the
stock intake manifold. Number 6 gets the most air and fuel.

I told Nick , after the USCC , we can throw as much nitrous like it as
you like. Before the contest changing anything dramatic could mean
teething issues. Every year before , with nitrous , the cars lost power.
The 300ZX , and the Supra in the first and second year respectfully.
Unless it was done right , and tested , its not worth it.

We knew the Supercharged Viper had made a corrected 887 rwhp and 870
ft/lbs of torque. We really hated losing nearly 300 hp on the dyno.

The Tuesday before the event we did the photo shoot for Sport Compact
Car in beautiful downtown Los Angeles. Not the nicest place on earth.
Only a few crack ****** , and drug dealers hanging around the photo
shoot. Interesting to say the least.

The before contest dinner was Wednesday night at a diner out in
Riverside ,CA . We showed up first and parked the GT-R. Did our
interview for the video , and just hung out and waited for the other
cars to show up. They were all out doing their photo shoots. Ours was
done the previous day because we were located in LA. We also got the
final 10 cars that were in. Fuzion Supra , Audi S4 , Axis Wheels
Supercharged 350Z , Supercharged Viper , 1st gen Eclipse , 2nd gen
Eclipse , BPU Supra , MR-2 , Ultima GT-R , and our Skyline GT-R. The
dinner / DVD shoot finally got done about 11pm. The Viper still had not
shown up , as it supposedly ran out of gas.

After the diner we went back to the warehouse to finish off a few
things. We replaced the test cat we were using with a newer fresher cat.
We finished up on the installation of the halon fire extinguishing
system. Couple other little detail things. By the time we were done it
was about 3:45 am. Just enough time to get home , lay down for about an
hour , and get back to the shop. The next day / same day started at 8am
at K & N in Riverside ,CA . A little over 1 hour drive from our shop in
City of Industry.

The first days events are , Car Show , Grandma Test , Driveability ,
Emissions , Base Price , Horsepower , Power Delivery , Guru Panel
(Engineering) . We were standing around waiting for something to
happen. They had dynoed the first Eclipse and it had made around 400 whp
on K & N's AWD Dynojet. We decided that we wanted to go on the dyno and
get it over and done with. We started packing the engine with ice , and
spraying the IC and inlets down with water. Pulled the fuse for the AWD
and went over and got it strapped down. Told everyone we were expecting
600 hp to the wheels. Started the car up to warm up the driveline a
little. We had already started the car to get the oil temps and water
temps up prior to the dyno. I ran the car up though first gear , cruised
a little in 2nd gear . Give the Redline Shockproof Heavy some time to
get more viscous. 3rd gear....... Then put it in 4th gear . 3000 rpms I
go wide open throttle. Car starts to come up slowly and then screams up
to redline. Bang , bang , bang on the rev limiter at 8700 rpm. Clutch
in , in netural. Make sure it doesnt stall , bliping the throttle on the
way down.

I hear " 650 horsepower" . What ? Did he say 550 horsepower ? . Then I
hear " 661 horsepower". By then I was a little confused. We had just
dynoed 594 rhwp. I looked at the Apex Power FC Commander - 1.96 bar of
boost. Hmm.... they ask if we want another pull . At first I say sure.
Then Nick sticks his head in the car , Steve speaks up . Think about it
again. Why push it ? We are really where we want to be. So I say no.
Pull it off the dyno.

We still are in a little shock over how much power we made. 661.9 hp and
586 ft/lbs of torque. Different dynos , different days. We were still
happy. We ended up in 3rd place on the dyno. A T78 Supra , on nitrous
made 671 rhwp. The Supercharged Viper made 820 rhwp. We did get 2nd in
Power Delivery . Taking it out to 8700 rpms helps. 74 points in peak
power , 74 points in power delivery.

Car Show we didnt do so well. Well Nicks car is not a car show car. 47
points . Grandma 96 points , including the +1 bonus point for bringing
Paul Walkers cousin. Driveability we did fairly well - about 4th .
Emissions we end up 3rd . Guru Panel we end up 3rd also.

The MR-2 blew up on the dyno , and they went home.

Then after all the events are over it was a 72 mile drive up and down a
5000 foot grade for fuel economy. Everyone else was still filling up ,
and we left first with our support truck in front with Nick driving. I
was in the Skyline , and behind us was Matt in his BPU Supra. Even with
1000cc injectors , 2 Nismo fuel pumps , and a close ratio 5 speed trans
I managed to get 26.9 mpg. The Supra that was following me got 38.8 mpg.
Thats like Geo Metro territory. And we even made a wrong turn and went
about 2-3 miles wrong.

We took the Skyline and the Supra back to my storage lot and dropped
them off for the night. Next morning we were meeting up at California
Speedway at 8am. After the first day they said the Red Supra was in 1st.
We were 6 points behind in 2nd place. The next morning we met up at the
track , and a bit of a suprise. They had miscalculated some of the
scores and the engineering and fuel economy had been figured. We were in
first place by about 50 points. Then we were ahead by about 60 points.

Gave us a bit more confidence.The 2nd day was going to be our strong
day. The first event was the skidpad , then the road course , the 0-60
, the 1/4 mile , braking , then the gross display of horsepower. Out to
the skidpad first . The Viper , the Ultima , the Skyline , the 350Z ,
and the 1st gen Eclipse. We pulled the fuse on the GT-R to make it RWD.
Generally RWD cars are better on the skidpad than a RWD car. We were
last around the circle and ended up with a 1.063 which put us in 4th
place on the skidpad. Better than the 1.04 with Daniels car the year
before. We think it may have had a little more in it , but we had a 100%
full tank of gas. When we corner weighed the car we had about 6 gallons
of gas in it.

Then out to the road course. We were out first on the road course with
the 350Z. Steve was driving the GT-R , John Hotchkis was driving the
350Z . They were out for 2 laps of lead and follow behind a 911. By the
end of the first lap - the 350Z went past the 911.... a little early.
The GT-R stayed behind . The end of the 2nd lap the GT-R pulled out and
started chasing the 350Z down. The end of the next lap , Steve was up
beside the 350Z. Then he did something we werent expecting . Into the
1st turn he out broke the 350Z and passed him on the inside....

I was thinking. Doesnt Steve know this is practice ? Here he is dicing
with John Hotchkis in a 350Z. I think Steve came to this realization
and he backed off. By stopwatch Steve ended up with around a 1:19 lap.
Something else happened and they had to cut the practice short. They
ended up offering a extra few laps a little later. Steve had said that
when he was dicing with the 350Z that he had noticed the oil temp at 133
degrees C (271 degrees F). Checked knock , checked boost. Peak boost was
1.7 bar . Peak knock was low enough . Water temp got up to 105 C which
isnt bad

Steve did a few more laps and we came in to get ready to do the timed
laps. The Audi goes out runs a 1:19 .The 350Z goes out and turns a 1:22
but an intercooler pipe had come off. The Red Fuzion Supra goes out and
runs a 1:24. Steve goes out in the GT-R. Takes off to go and warm the
car up . Comes by flying on the first lap. GT-R though open exhaust ,
sounds so good. Screaming.... We wait in anticipation . The GT-R comes
around , not sounding good , you can see it not under power. Then some
clunking , a puddle . And drifting past the finish line. Steve takes a
left turn into the pits. I can see oil and coolant pouring out from
underneath the car.

Its done. I pull the hood pins , and pop the hood. Oil everywhere. its
tossed a rod. We push the car out of the way. Have another quick look
around. Its really done. Push it up into the garage. We put the jack
under it . Still oil and coolant pouring out. Get a light and I can see
a large chunk of the oil pan missing. The dipstick got left on the
track. I see part of the rod on the under tray. Steve plucks another
part of the rod out of the oil pan. We can see that it spun a bearing. I
hold onto part of the rod cap. I still have it. Been carrying it around.

We got a time of 1:20.75 which is still in front of several of the cars
, mostly noteably the 820 whp Viper which ran a 1:24. By then we were
about 60 points in front of the 2nd place car. 4 events left. 110 points
for each event - 25 points for the gross display of power. We wanted to
push the car down the 1/4 mile to at least get the 10 points , but they
wouldnt let us. We would have screwed up the curve.

The quarter mile , 0-60 was a little more than disappointing. They were
running out of time , mostly because the film crew takes too long to get
setup each time. The Eclipses were already hurt by then. The 820 whp
Viper ran a 12.4 and a 12.5 . The BPU Supra very nearly tagged the wall
, got extremely loose. The Sliver Eclipse was dropping oil on the
track. The engine cover was off the Ultima and it ran 12.2 ,12.1 making
it the fastest thing down the 1/4. The 671 rwhp Supra ran a 13.6 and a
13.4 .

Every year with the GT-R we have been about 100 hp down on the power and
2nd quick 0-60 and 1/4 mile. This year we brought a GT-R that was at
least 100 horsepower more than the car we brought the year before.

In October , even on a crappy track , on crappy tires I had gone 12.0
@124 on low boost. On high boost first pass with wheel spin in 1st , and
2nd it went 11.7@126....... oh well . The car was already broken , and I
was a little tweaked. I didnt get a chance to drive the car at high
boost. Oh well , thats racing.


Thats about it...... we blew it up. We were in the lead , and we blew
it up.

Fac3Man

I read the threads in the viper forum and man, the dude who owns the viper has an excuse for everything.

That car cant even run on the roadcourse for more than a lap without overheating! wtf?

racinskittle

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Fac3Man &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I read the threads in the viper forum and man, the dude who owns the viper has an excuse for everything.

That car cant even run on the roadcourse for more than a lap without overheating! wtf?</TD></TR></TABLE>

Yeah no ****, he was bitching about all that stuff like he was the only one who had to deal with it.

0KStuned

Any other info???? I need to know MORE!

Drew Peacock

Would that of been a stock internal GTR engine or what?

SiRkid

all of the "Big dawg" guys(viper, skyline) all have excuses coming out the yin yang

91tegrals

like they need them..

LiLOtaku

whats up with the slow *** downloads?

2.2kb/sec for a 30 meg file? screw that!

pissedoffsol

no- it was moderately built...<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by turbozxi &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Would that of been a stock internal GTR engine or what?</TD></TR></TABLE>

Drew Peacock

Yeah would of thought so damn thats a lot of money down the drain. Theres some dumbass claiming that a stock Rb26dett can make over 1000hp (flywheel) with standard internals. I have never seen it done before.<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by pissedoffsol &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">no- it was moderately built...</TD></TR></TABLE>

kpt4321

That bothers me. As a "hardcore" DSM'er, I have NEVER seen a dyno curve like that, even on quite a few 400-500whp cars.

I'm trying to dig some dyno scans up, but I've not been successful yet...

Here you go:

http://home.comcast.net/~tarryo/kyle/leondyno.jpg

I think something is funky with that dyno.

xfrankx

scoots more like flys

AlphaKennyWun

500 lbs of torque.....hmmmm if thats right then Dayum!!

twkdCD595

dialup freindly...

another 2.2k/sec.

SiRkid

turbo is too big or someting/
or boost spike?

chidoks

hondaddict, you should enter your car for the next challenge....honda reliability...built 2.2...enough torque for the road course...good handling 'cos of your weight... We need a honda up there with some torque

liam821

here ya go...i put it on my server...see how fast that is downloading now? You know you wanna buy a website from me.

TIORA.NET BANDWIDTH OWNS YOU.

right click save as
http://liam821.com/pix/video/ROYZGSX...se_Winner.mpeg

http://liam821.com/pix/video/royzgsx_650awhp_dyno.mpg

liam



Modified by liam821 at 1:31 PM 10/17/2003

nevin

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by pissedoffsol &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Thats like Geo Metro territory.</TD></TR></TABLE>

haha that part made me laught i dunno why.