B18C Turbo

Do i really have to buy this tool? Its $50 and I could use that money on something else. Im probably only going to use it this time only, is it worth it? I mean, i heard its only neccesary if you dont use the included moly lube on the bolts and if the torque wrench may be off.

However in my case Im using brand new rod bolts, brand new rods, a brand spanking new craftsman Digitorque wrench and the moly lube! I mean come on, Do i absolutely have to buy this tool?

EK FLY

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by B18C Turbo &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Do i really have to buy this tool? Its $50 and I could use that money on something else. Im probably only going to use it this time only, is it worth it? I mean, i heard its only neccesary if you dont use the included moly lube on the bolts and if the torque wrench may be off.

However in my case Im using brand new rod bolts, brand new rods, a brand spanking new craftsman Digitorque wrench and the moly lube! I mean come on, Do i absolutely have to buy this tool?</TD></TR></TABLE>

I would buy it with no question ,, heck I would spend even more in order to have the rods installed right

MidShipCivic

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by B18C Turbo &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Do i really have to buy this tool? Its $50 and I could use that money on something else. Im probably only going to use it this time only, is it worth it? I mean, i heard its only neccesary if you dont use the included moly lube on the bolts and if the torque wrench may be off.

However in my case Im using brand new rod bolts, brand new rods, a brand spanking new craftsman Digitorque wrench and the moly lube! I mean come on, Do i absolutely have to buy this tool?</TD></TR></TABLE>

Is your engine worth it? Guess not. Dont buy it then.

foumer

If you dont want to buy the stretch tool, atleast cycle the rod bolts 3 times.
That means torque them to spec then loosen them and torque again (3 times). This way the threads get somewhat polished and the bolts will get "proper" torque.

B18C Turbo

Looking for a straight up real answer from someone who has done this, not people whoa re guessing or are assuming or have no idea what i am even talking about.

Zakar

dont worry dude.. people get retarded on here.. someone smart will answer your question soon enough

paulzy

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I installed a set of small bolt eagles in an all motor b20/vtec that were just torqued down. 9500rpm redline with stock r/s ratio for almost 2 years now.

I measure the stretch nowadays but you should be fine.

Adi Radoncic

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That means torque them to spec then loosen them and torque again (3 times). This way the threads get somewhat polished and the bolts will get "proper" torque. </TD></TR></TABLE>

If your not gona buy the stretch gauge this dude is completely 100% right..

But basicly what it all comes down to is that torqing measures friction and there are lots of variables that can get that bolt to torque to the specs you need without getting the proper amount of stretch.
Now if your using your torque wrench to torque the bolts during a build you will probably torque them and loosen them 3-4 times, polishing the threads of that bolt more and more. Each time you do it will cause the amount of stretch on your bolt to be less every time the rod is assembled.

The whole reason you want to stretch them is because thats the only proper way to achieve the right amount of clamping load on the rod, so you eliminate things like the big end being out of round etc...

pgmatt

I wouldnt worry about it unless this is some 600hp monster.For the everage street motor it doesn'tt really matter.

White Smoke

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Oh but it does... It really makes no difference how much power you make with it.

Just buy it then re-sell on ebay for a small loss when you are done with your build. Or, go to some local shops and see if they will let you borrow there's for a small fee. Im sure there is someone on H-T in MA that could loan you there's for like 10 bucks. Id loan you mine but MA is no where near me

sleepencivic

i have built 10+ blocks and never had a problem with any of them; with just using a good torque wrench not the advanced auto ****

quiksheit

My friends and I have never used one just "cycled" them bout three times.

Damn some ppl are paraonid

.nate

Do it right the first time and you won't have to go back and fix your fuckups.

ITS YOUR BOTTOM END WERE TALKING ABOUT HERE!

White Smoke

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The thing is we just like to do it the way it was intended to be done. Read your Honda FSM...

R@mon

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or the paper work that comes with any set of rods you buy. theres a reason the rod bolts have dimples on them you know.

B18C Turbo

Wow,
completely different responses from everyone. Some say i can get away by polishing the threads and others say use the tool. Then some say just torque them down.

R@mon

theres two ways of doing it:

1. use a torque wrench and hope its right

OR

2. use a stretch gauge and be sure what your doing is exactly what the manufacturer calls for. Plain and simple stretch is the most accurate way to do it. thats the reason everysingle rod bolt has dimples on it.


i mean , i guess it doesnt matter if every bearing has different clearances or if some bolts were left loose or too tight

RCautoworks

Its really a conspiracy, big companies are all in it together, you buy the bolts and they tell you to buy the stretch gauge, see how that works

A stretch gauge is like 30-80 dollars, you can't spend that on a gauge ?

http://store.summitracing.com/...w=sku

$60 bucks, come on are you that tight for cash.

B18C Turbo

Can i just cycle the rod bolts 3x by polishing the threads?

RCautoworks

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No, I would do it the right way, you are really stuck on not spending the extra $50 on a gauge aren't you.

GarageAlchemist

hehe your a local, wonder if you got your work done at aims or performance whatever.. anyways, just do it right the first time. Actualy ****, i need one myself.. buy it, do it, and sell it to me for a little less

RyanEJ8

I borrowed a friend's Snap-On digital torque wrench to torque my ARP rod bolts with the ARP lube. Haven't had a problem with the rods in 3 years now.

B18C Turbo

Ya know what,
im just gonna buy it, I cant get a straight answer lol. Whats $50 ya know.

American.Graffiti

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Its worth it.

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