redline water wetter?
12-24-2003, 04:32 AM
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redline water wetter?
do any of you use this? The Bimmer guys I know swear by it
just wondering if any of you honda owners specifically the FI guys use it and like it or notice any improvement
just wondering if any of you honda owners specifically the FI guys use it and like it or notice any improvement
12-24-2003, 07:18 AM
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Re: redline water wetter? (RedTegLS)
It works great, lowers temperature, but supposedly is bad for your cooling system...
No honda should ever need it, I have friends who make over 600whp on stock integra cooling systems...stock radiator, hoses, thermostat, thermoswitch, and 90% water / 10% coolant (for lubrication)
You shouldn't need it.
No honda should ever need it, I have friends who make over 600whp on stock integra cooling systems...stock radiator, hoses, thermostat, thermoswitch, and 90% water / 10% coolant (for lubrication)
You shouldn't need it.
12-29-2003, 07:49 PM
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Re: redline water wetter? (Hella_JDM)
I use it in my Porsche and my eg. I notice that when the fans come on (my civic), it doesn't stay on that long. For example, the normal fans stay on for 20 second, now it's only 15 sec.
12-29-2003, 07:51 PM
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Re: redline water wetter? (porsche997)
I wouldn't mix it with coolant... Like I'd run water and coolant, or water and water wetter, I don't like mixing chemicals.... unless the water wetter says it's ok. I know some of the guys that water-cool their computers use it...
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12-29-2003, 08:12 PM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by RedTegLS »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Used it in my 94 Trans Am and it didnt do squat.</TD></TR></TABLE>
Umm, why isn't that one in your sig?
Umm, why isn't that one in your sig?
12-29-2003, 08:24 PM
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Re: redline water wetter? (Bailhatch)
http://evanscooling.com/index2.html
You want to waste your money on propelyne glycol, if anything!!!!!!!!!
You want to waste your money on propelyne glycol, if anything!!!!!!!!!
12-29-2003, 09:02 PM
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running all water is NOT a good idea
it says in the manual that you should NEVER use all water becuase when you turn on the condenser even on hot days it can freeze the coolant
90 water 10 coolant is the most I'd ever run, but to be on the safeer side I'd go more 80 water 10 coolant
Nick
it says in the manual that you should NEVER use all water becuase when you turn on the condenser even on hot days it can freeze the coolant
90 water 10 coolant is the most I'd ever run, but to be on the safeer side I'd go more 80 water 10 coolant
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12-29-2003, 09:32 PM
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Re: redline water wetter? (lazerus)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by lazerus »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">http://evanscooling.com/index2.html
You want to waste your money on propelyne glycol, if anything!!!!!!!!!</TD></TR></TABLE>
do some readin guys
You want to waste your money on propelyne glycol, if anything!!!!!!!!!</TD></TR></TABLE>
do some readin guys
12-29-2003, 09:57 PM
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Re: redline water wetter? (dasher)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by dasher »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">save your money ... 2 small drops of liquid soap does the same thing as water wetter.. seriously </TD></TR></TABLE>
Yup, Dawn works really good. I am not joking. If you want that redish look that water wetter has just add food coloring.
</TD></TR></TABLE>Yup, Dawn works really good. I am not joking. If you want that redish look that water wetter has just add food coloring.
12-29-2003, 10:11 PM
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Re: redline water wetter? (Arturbo)
yep, soap drops the surface tension off the water increasing thermal conductivity.
The Evans NPG+ Proplyne glycol coolant boils at an astounding 375+ degrees at ZERO psi, is a rust and corrosion inhibitor, and is highly recommended by the rotary guys!
makes your radiator hoses last longer, too if you use a 0 psi cap. much better!
The Evans NPG+ Proplyne glycol coolant boils at an astounding 375+ degrees at ZERO psi, is a rust and corrosion inhibitor, and is highly recommended by the rotary guys!
makes your radiator hoses last longer, too if you use a 0 psi cap. much better!
12-29-2003, 10:48 PM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by psi420 »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I think you'll be better off by running straight distilled water. No coolant at all.....as long as you dont freeze where your at.</TD></TR></TABLE>
I think you'll be replacing your water pump before long if you try that one too often
Been there, done that. I know I'm not f/i but I had to throw this in there. The water wetter acts as a lubricant in the place of coolant for the waterpump, (the coolant is a lubricant, like oil for your waterpump). So if your local track requires you to run without coolant in the cooling system, use water wetter as a replacement. As for extra cooling power, on my n/a b16 it did nothing special.
I think you'll be replacing your water pump before long if you try that one too often
Been there, done that. I know I'm not f/i but I had to throw this in there. The water wetter acts as a lubricant in the place of coolant for the waterpump, (the coolant is a lubricant, like oil for your waterpump). So if your local track requires you to run without coolant in the cooling system, use water wetter as a replacement. As for extra cooling power, on my n/a b16 it did nothing special.
12-30-2003, 12:30 AM
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dawn soap? you guys are shittin me. makes sense tho.. but what about the effects of the high heat levels and air pockets. i think 7$ of wetter is decent insurance
12-30-2003, 01:09 AM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by XDEep »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">dawn soap? you guys are shittin me. makes sense tho.. but what about the effects of the high heat levels and air pockets. i think 7$ of wetter is decent insurance
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Ok use palmolive then. Trust me, if it didnt work I would say these things.
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Ok use palmolive then. Trust me, if it didnt work I would say these things.
12-30-2003, 09:30 AM
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I never said I run all water....so please dont criticize my work or my part status.
I simply said running all water would yield cooler temps.
Read the coolant bottle, it says the same thing.
I simply said running all water would yield cooler temps.
Read the coolant bottle, it says the same thing.
12-30-2003, 12:58 PM
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its not widely known because company's such as Redline have a vested interest in making money off of products such as water wetter --- they are not going to advertise that you can achieve similar results at a cost of less than a penny.
Another reason that this is not widely known is because most individuals don't have a strong backround in chemistry and know of the effects soap has on breaking the surface tension of water and assume that using soap in your radiator must be a joke because it sounds wrong without knowing the science behind how it works ....
... buts thats why we have a web forum to share this info ---
Warning--- this is not a situation where more liquid soap = better ! 2 small drops only!
Another reason that this is not widely known is because most individuals don't have a strong backround in chemistry and know of the effects soap has on breaking the surface tension of water and assume that using soap in your radiator must be a joke because it sounds wrong without knowing the science behind how it works ....
... buts thats why we have a web forum to share this info ---
Warning--- this is not a situation where more liquid soap = better ! 2 small drops only!
12-30-2003, 01:07 PM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by psi420 »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I never said I run all water....so please dont criticize my work or my part status.
I simply said running all water would yield cooler temps.
Read the coolant bottle, it says the same thing.</TD></TR></TABLE>
I didn't mean to offend, just warning anyone that might not know Hopefully no hard feelings.
I simply said running all water would yield cooler temps.
Read the coolant bottle, it says the same thing.</TD></TR></TABLE>
I didn't mean to offend, just warning anyone that might not know
Hopefully no hard feelings.
12-30-2003, 01:08 PM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by raene »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
I didn't mean to offend, just warning anyone that might not know Hopefully no hard feelings. </TD></TR></TABLE>
No worries man, I know where your comin from.
I didn't mean to offend, just warning anyone that might not know
Hopefully no hard feelings. </TD></TR></TABLE>No worries man, I know where your comin from.
12-30-2003, 01:13 PM
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Re: redline water wetter? (lazerus)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by lazerus »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
The Evans NPG+ Proplyne glycol coolant boils at an astounding 375+ degrees at ZERO psi, is a rust and corrosion inhibitor, and is highly recommended by the rotary guys!
makes your radiator hoses last longer, too if you use a 0 psi cap. much better!
</TD></TR></TABLE>
I looked into possibly using this product in the past because of the benefits of eliminating hot spots ... but never ended up going this route after looking at how much more viscous Evans NPG+ is then water. That added viscousity will create more drag on the water pump and thus more frictional losses.
I can definetly see why the rotary guys like this stuff however because they have to stay away from tricks we can do like raising the coolant system pressure with a higher pressure radiator cap because they have to worry about their seals in the rotory engine. Raising the coolant pressure in the radiator is a good way to raise your boiling point elevation so you can run a higher % of water in your system which is better at cooling than normal Propylene Glycol.
It would be interesting to weigh the positives and negatives of Evans NPG+ in a honda however ... anybody had the guts to try this ?
The Evans NPG+ Proplyne glycol coolant boils at an astounding 375+ degrees at ZERO psi, is a rust and corrosion inhibitor, and is highly recommended by the rotary guys!
makes your radiator hoses last longer, too if you use a 0 psi cap. much better!
</TD></TR></TABLE>
I looked into possibly using this product in the past because of the benefits of eliminating hot spots ... but never ended up going this route after looking at how much more viscous Evans NPG+ is then water. That added viscousity will create more drag on the water pump and thus more frictional losses.
I can definetly see why the rotary guys like this stuff however because they have to stay away from tricks we can do like raising the coolant system pressure with a higher pressure radiator cap because they have to worry about their seals in the rotory engine. Raising the coolant pressure in the radiator is a good way to raise your boiling point elevation so you can run a higher % of water in your system which is better at cooling than normal Propylene Glycol.
It would be interesting to weigh the positives and negatives of Evans NPG+ in a honda however ... anybody had the guts to try this ?