Reasons WHY the Prelude B20A and B21A cranks are "Weak"?
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Reasons WHY the Prelude B20A and B21A cranks are "Weak"?
I've read on here by numerous people claiming that they know of someone who ran the 95mm cranks that came from the 3rd gen prelude 2.0Si/Si (88-91). They say they are weak?
On my forum, PreludePower.com (3rd gen luders safe haven), we never had a problem with our cranks - i've never heard one thing that went wrong with them.
Tony Baker is running a fully built b20a with a factory crank and hes running huge boost, nitrous, and methanol - beating low 12 second cars. This guys car is street legal with street tires, all ready to go - no track car here. And he hasn't mentioned one thing about the crank being a concern whatsoever.
And another thing, how do you guys (Non-B20a B-series guys) use the Prelude crank in your B18a/b or B20b/z? Our thrust bearings are on a different crank journal than yours.
Here's a post from Preludepower.com to show you guys what I mean...
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by "chrisb" »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">This topic is something I am messing with right now. I have an LS crank and it fits just fine in my B21 block. However, the thrust bearings for the LS crank are on the #4 main journal while the thrust bearings are on the #3 journal for a B21 crank. Not good. That crank won't work. Since you hear of people interchanging, GSR, LS and CRV cranks I would bet they all have thrust bearings on the #4 main journal. I have emailed some people to try to find a Honda crank that has thrust bearings on the #3 journal.
Take care,
Chris Brinson</TD></TR></TABLE>
Can you explain how you B18ers and B20b/z guys would make the prelude's 95mm crank work? And how is it supposedly weak? It's twist-forged just like all a lot of Honda cranks are.
Thanks Guys!
On my forum, PreludePower.com (3rd gen luders safe haven), we never had a problem with our cranks - i've never heard one thing that went wrong with them.
Tony Baker is running a fully built b20a with a factory crank and hes running huge boost, nitrous, and methanol - beating low 12 second cars. This guys car is street legal with street tires, all ready to go - no track car here. And he hasn't mentioned one thing about the crank being a concern whatsoever.
And another thing, how do you guys (Non-B20a B-series guys) use the Prelude crank in your B18a/b or B20b/z? Our thrust bearings are on a different crank journal than yours.
Here's a post from Preludepower.com to show you guys what I mean...
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by "chrisb" »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">This topic is something I am messing with right now. I have an LS crank and it fits just fine in my B21 block. However, the thrust bearings for the LS crank are on the #4 main journal while the thrust bearings are on the #3 journal for a B21 crank. Not good. That crank won't work. Since you hear of people interchanging, GSR, LS and CRV cranks I would bet they all have thrust bearings on the #4 main journal. I have emailed some people to try to find a Honda crank that has thrust bearings on the #3 journal.
Take care,
Chris Brinson</TD></TR></TABLE>
Can you explain how you B18ers and B20b/z guys would make the prelude's 95mm crank work? And how is it supposedly weak? It's twist-forged just like all a lot of Honda cranks are.
Thanks Guys!
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Re: Reasons WHY the Prelude B20A and B21A cranks are "Weak"? (Dulluthkid_19)
know one has prolly done that before...as it would make the rod ratio worse...are u interested in doin it... BTW im at around 250whp with my b20a havent had any issues with it..
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Re: Reasons WHY the Prelude B20A and B21A cranks are "Weak"? (Dulluthkid_19)
I've never heard anyone call them weak, ever.
What most people like to say is that they have a shitty rod-stroke ratio.
Which is usually true, for most of the high reving engines people are usually building.
The b20a crank is used in a few off the shelf stroker kits. I have never seen one,
but i always assumed that they were just machining the crank for the differently
placed thrust bearings. I mean, there is more than enough meat left on the casting
isnt there?
What most people like to say is that they have a shitty rod-stroke ratio.
Which is usually true, for most of the high reving engines people are usually building.
The b20a crank is used in a few off the shelf stroker kits. I have never seen one,
but i always assumed that they were just machining the crank for the differently
placed thrust bearings. I mean, there is more than enough meat left on the casting
isnt there?
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Re: Reasons WHY the Prelude B20A and B21A cranks are "Weak"? (kabaroo)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by kabaroo »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">bump from someone else from duluth.... i thought i was alone.</TD></TR></TABLE>
Heh...Wow I thought I was all alone here as well....
Heh...Wow I thought I was all alone here as well....
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Re: Reasons WHY the Prelude B20A and B21A cranks are "Weak"? (rioninja)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by rioninja »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I've never heard anyone call them weak, ever.
What most people like to say is that they have a shitty rod-stroke ratio.
Which is usually true, for most of the high reving engines people are usually building.
The b20a crank is used in a few off the shelf stroker kits. I have never seen one,
but i always assumed that they were just machining the crank for the differently
placed thrust bearings. I mean, there is more than enough meat left on the casting
isnt there?</TD></TR></TABLE>
Yeah I suppose you could machine it - I havent looked. I've never thought of the idea personally - just curious of what the other guys did when they used the b20a crank.
What most people like to say is that they have a shitty rod-stroke ratio.
Which is usually true, for most of the high reving engines people are usually building.
The b20a crank is used in a few off the shelf stroker kits. I have never seen one,
but i always assumed that they were just machining the crank for the differently
placed thrust bearings. I mean, there is more than enough meat left on the casting
isnt there?</TD></TR></TABLE>
Yeah I suppose you could machine it - I havent looked. I've never thought of the idea personally - just curious of what the other guys did when they used the b20a crank.
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Re: Reasons WHY the Prelude B20A and B21A cranks are "Weak"? (Dulluthkid_19)
It may possibly be a combination of maching the crank, and using specialy sized thrust bearings.
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