Rah Rah

1. I hear all good stuff with DRAG, F-Max, and other turbo kits, but what about the bad? Have you guys had any reliability issues?

2. How long have you had your kits?

3. How much did you guys pay for kit + installs + tuning?

4. What are your quarter mile times with your particular boost level?


[Modified by sando112, 6:57 AM 8/14/2001]


[Modified by sando112, 6:58 AM 8/14/2001]

Ri5e

a guy at psiproformance.com with a 92 LS I believe, ran a 11.9 in the 1/4 mile on slicks with a built engine @ 14 psi with full interior.

All the kits are good. Drag, the manifold design is not good, if you decide to do a 3 inch exhaust upgrade, you will get boost spikes. And also, the Drag pipes are chrome and "supposedly" attracts more heat.

I have the Drag kit at 13 PSI and it runs GREAT on 94 octane.

REVHARD Is probably the best. F-MAX is also good, direct bolt on so you dont have to get a flange welded on teh downpipe. Also, FMAX includes injectors and their own FCU that piggybacks off of the stock ECU, so no "rising rate fmu's".

And uhm, as for reliability. It all depends on who drives it and how it's tuned

2. I've had it for 6-7 months.
3.$2800. $150 to install it myself. Costed me $90 to get the oil pan welded from a professional and $60 for the downpipe weld.
4.I ran a 12.87 @ 13 psi on slicks.

PureTeg420

I disagree with the 3" piping will give you Boost spikes statement. I know at least 3 people with drag kits and a 3" thermal or 3" custom and tial wg, and there are no boost spikes. However, only 2 of them are running more then 12 psi.

dragonsmp

I have a Drag Gen3 Kit... Aside from the manifold holes not lining up properly w/ the block the install was pretty straight forward. I run a 13.2 @ 108mph @ .5~bar (equilvant to 7.4 psi).

After I get the fuel tuned and cam gears adjusted I will prolly boost 12 psi at the track and pull some low-mid 12's, maybe even high 11's (good that would be nice)


[Modified by dragonsmp, 8:09 AM 8/14/2001]

bigTom

the reason for ths spiking is those crap deltagates or whatnot... upgrade to a tial and u shouldnt have a problem

DaveF

well..it was actually 13 psi creeping up to around 16...i LOVE my deltagate!!!!NOT...we actually have a turbo type r that ran 11.9 on slicks with 13 psi and full interior too.only problem so far from the turbo kits themselves(only rev hards)is a one manifold cracked,but it was replaced for free,and pipes not fitting exactly right,but that was for a civic with a b18b and a 2001 type r with a/c,which weren't exactly what the pipes were made for

SIK IN DA HED

got me a DRAG3 kit... its pretty bling bling and it does the job.

dragonsmp

ek9t is correct... Deltagates suck! Get yourslef a TiAL

jinxproof99

i've basically got a rev hard kit in a gsr powered civic. stock internals.

d98integra

i have a turbo powered ls. i ran a 14.4 at 98m.p.h. on 6 pds. thats no tuning, stock timing, stock exhaust,stock injectors,no ignition, full interior, spare and all. on street tires. and a check engine light was in progress. so turbos can be worth it. my kit is a drag 3. delta gate does suck. im geting tial soon aas i find the best price.

Rah Rah

Forgive my ignorance, but what is a tial?

Boostfed

http://store.importparts.com/cgi-bin...11.storefront/

Tial is a wastegate!

quick108

Tial might be a better wastegate, however, the boost creeping is caused from the DRAG manifold's primaries, not the Deltagate.

With a 3" exhaust, I had boost creep. I tried different wastegates and boost controller configurations, nothing seemed to work. As soon as I downsized to 2.25", the boost creep went away.

Cast manufacturing is very cost effective, but produces big imperfections. Since the DRAG manifolds are not machined afterwards, they are very inconsistent. Some people will have the boost creep problem some won't.

chri5

Would you recommend that prior to installation the cast manifold be smoothed out to remove and irregularites in it? I would assume this couldnt be a bad thing.

quick108

If you have the manifold off the car, I would definitely trim up all the irregularities to prevent possible boost creep. Be careful though, cast iron is very brittle.

dustin

I smoothed the entire inside of my drag manifold out with a dremel before installation. Take a look here: http://imglib.************/index.cgi?cmd=viewcat&id=10

However, the finish does not cause boost creep. If you want to blame boost creep on the manifold, blame it on the fact that the drag kit mounts the wastegate only on the cylinder 1 runner... the design would be better if it bled boost off of all cylinders or the wastegate was mounted in an entirely different location. Read "Maximum Boost" by corky bell, it has some pretty good pictures of what I mean.

Dustin