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Old 06-12-2002, 01:44 PM
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how acurate are they. also why does it move alot wile coasting and stays green when i am at wot?

could i use the gauge to sorta eye ball my a/f ratio with a computer? i know you are going to say use a wide ban o2 but tell me why.
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they are garbage. i ahve one that says im rich all the time and went to the dyno to find out i was wayyyyy lean and almost blew my motor
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i know i have to be right because of the amount of deposites in my exhaust! it is horrible i even get some sut on my bumber and i still have my cat!
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how acurate are they.
As accurate as your stock O2 sensor. Your factory O2 sensor is good at sending stoich. It cannot tell how far rich or how far lean you are.

also why does it move alot wile coasting and stays green when i am at wot?
Because the Honda ECU uses closed loop O2 feedback. It adds and takes out fuel many times per second to try to center in on stoich for fuel economy and emissions.

It goes green because under acceleration your motor needs more fuel.

could i use the gauge to sorta eye ball my a/f ratio with a computer? i know you are going to say use a wide ban o2 but tell me why.
No. It's good to tell you when it's lean, stoich, or rich. It can't tell you how far.

My autometer reads full rich when my Wideband reads 14.6:1. 14.6:1 is richer than 14.7:1, yes, but your motor would not last too long if you tuned to 14.6:1 under full boost
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Default Re: question about the autometer a/f ratio gauge (itr206)

really? so Autometer A/F's are worthless? daym.. gonna have to throw that on the FAQ page. What are some good A/F's? Or has this been convered and i should do a search...
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It's not worthless. It is good for tuning cruise and idle conditions to stoich. But it is not useful for full load tuning.

Most people here are running stock ECUs anyways, so they cannot do much tuning of closed loop conditions.

Note that it is not the gauge that is worthless, it's the factory O2 sensor. The sensor is purpose built to sense stoich for closed loop fuel control, nothing more. You cannot do any real tuning with the factory O2 sensor using ANY gauge. All gauges that read narrow band O2 sensors are of limited use.

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i think it is really the o2 sensors fault right? not the gauge. like they say it is only as strong as the weakest link and the o2 is the weakest. what if i buy a wideban o2 and hook that up to my gauge?
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i think it is really the o2 sensors fault right? not the gauge. like they say it is only as strong as the weakest link and the o2 is the weakest. what if i buy a wideban o2 and hook that up to my gauge?
Wideband O2 sensors themselves are useless without a controller that can account for exhaust temperature.

Also, even if you had a controller, the autometer gauge could not read it. The autometer gauge is a voltmeter that reads 0v-1v. 0v is full lean. .5v is stoich. 1v is full rich.

Wideband O2 sensors/controllers typically output 0v-5v. And their output is not necessarily linear. Wideband O2 displays must be matched to the wideband controller to correctly correlate output voltage to A/F ratio.

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Default Re: question about the autometer a/f ratio gauge (dustin)

It's not worthless. It is good for tuning cruise and idle conditions to stoich. But it is not useful for full load tuning.

Most people here are running stock ECUs anyways, so they cannot do much tuning of closed loop conditions.

Note that it is not the gauge that is worthless, it's the factory O2 sensor. The sensor is purpose built to sense stoich for closed loop fuel control, nothing more. You cannot do any real tuning with the factory O2 sensor using ANY gauge. All gauges that read narrow band O2 sensors are of limited use.

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permission to use this for the FAQ page?
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Hmm sure why not.
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Default Re: question about the autometer a/f ratio gauge (dustin)

Hmm sure why not.
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