Chrome Pipes

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by slowteg550 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">haha, it is a beautiful car but netpune, crome, uberdata, etc are free... I guess it's probably one of the only FMU setups that I've ever saw "done right" if you can say that about an fmu </TD></TR></TABLE>

Thanks man, I'm really waiting until I build the bottom end to eventually step out of the early 1990's. I know for what I have right now it is pretty much at its limit, but I'm happy with it.

My motto: "If it ain't broke, don't fix it"

t57b18

bump moroe pics and info please

rondigs

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now thats what its all about </TD></TR></TABLE>

You can't even imagine. Ask Tony1 what its like... 4th gear+ high boost+ race gas= F'N scary

slowteg550

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by rondigs &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Old pump is in red (hp and torque). If you do the math adds up to 55hp difference </TD></TR></TABLE>

might just be enough motivation for me to swap out my GSR's for ITR"s

Freeltec

how many kms on your setup?
i always had envy for your setup, ppl always talked **** about fmu, but your threads always made me keep wanting to stay fmu, im going obd1 crome just for ppl to STFU, but the better tuining ability should be much better.

Freeltec

oh and do you boost 16psi dailey? how often u hit boost?

Chrome Pipes

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Freeltec &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">how many kms on your setup?
i always had envy for your setup, ppl always talked **** about fmu, but your threads always made me keep wanting to stay fmu, im going obd1 crome just for ppl to STFU, but the better tuining ability should be much better.</TD></TR></TABLE>

kms? Miles? Head has 14,xxx turbo miles, block has 6,xxx turbo. Don't remember exactly but around there.

What I think is this:

Most people listen to whatever the majority is, and most of the time it's for good reason. When it comes to FMU's, any performance textbook or internet resource will tell you that it was designed for low boost applications (under 10psi). I have run 20 psi on this setup on 2 separate cars with no problems on C16. What some people don't realize is yes I'm running an FMU, but keep in mind that the car was dyno tuned, and I'm also running 15+ psi on C16 - which is key. I run this setup on 12psi pump all the time wihtout an issue. Runs a little rich at that psi, but still drives nice.

I only ran with this setup because at the time, like 3 years ago, engine management was still pretty expensive. This was an alternative, maybe not the best, but it worked. The horror stories associated with FMU's come from when Importparts.com was selling DRAG kits left and right and dudes were turning the boost way up on their 12:1's and stock injectors <U>untuned</U>...blam.

Also, what I'm running is not to be confused with the infamous "AFC Hack''. With the "hack" you are still letting the stock MAP sensor see boost, I'm running a missing link, so my MAP doesn't see any boost at all.

Fast forward to today and you can easily have engine management for the cost of an AFC/FMU/440 setup. There are many more options and even more tuners around. So basically, what I have had in the car works, it has worked for a while - but for anybody asking me about it now...I always tell them to go with some sort of real engine management.

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Freeltec &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">oh and do you boost 16psi dailey? how often u hit boost?</TD></TR></TABLE>

That EM1 hits boost every time I climb over that bar!

Freeltec

so basically what you are saying is: F.UCK the Police, get your **** tuned and boost all day?

Freeltec

chrome pipes,
take a look at my setup 1st post, do u think i can run 15-16psi safely on my setup? my goal hp is 325-350whp. what do u think?

blackpearlcivic

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As simple as it gets, been running this setup going on 3 years:

Stock internal B18B1 block
Stock internal B16A2 head
DRAG III kit
2mm InlinePro headgasket
ARP headstuds
ITR intake manifold
FMU/V-AFC/RC 440's/Holly intank

356 whp / 257 wtq @ 16 psi

Best e.t. was 11.52 @ 121.56


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What kind off turbo do you use??

turbotegy

badass setups

puts my ls-t too shame lol

Chrome Pipes

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Freeltec &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">sup HT massive.
im just about finished my lsvtec setup so i figured i post up to see what people are doing and what kind of #'s people are making.

here is mine:

89 EF
b16a1 head
98 gsr cams
ARP HEAD STUDS
Cometic head gasket
b18a bottom end
9.1 arias pistons
stock rods
t3/to4e .57 turbo
7psi sprung external wastegate to amosphere
Ls cable tranny(no lsd)</TD></TR></TABLE>

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Freeltec &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">chrome pipes,
take a look at my setup 1st post, do u think i can run 15-16psi safely on my setup? my goal hp is 325-350whp. what do u think? </TD></TR></TABLE>

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by blackpearlcivic &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">What kind off turbo do you use??</TD></TR></TABLE>

Your setup is similiar to mine, besides having the forged pistons. As long as you don't have a really thick Cometic headgasket, I couldn't see why it wouldn't reach 325whp @ 15psi. My headgasket is 2mm which is pretty thick, so it brings compression around 8.6:1. Another thing is that I am running a T3/TO4E 60 trim, with a .63 a/r on the exhaust.

From my experience the LS tranny isn't as fun or excellerates as fast as a B16A tranny. My bro has an LS trans in his turbo GS-R and the difference between his car and mine is night and day. If you are going to drag the car, my opinon would be to get your hands on a B16 or even better a Type-R trans.

With a good tune, you should def. see 300+, and the tuner should be able to do it on pump. Just do yourself a favor and get a dual stage boost controller. Save the 15psi and up for the track and those midnight runs, I would keep low boost at like 12psi for daily.

Good luck

hbyrd8701

my bad i over look

BrokeAssWhiteboy

Trying to get Stoney tuned this week, the engine just rolled over 1000miles last night


mine.....
1998 Civic CX Hatch
Golden Eagle H-D Sleeved B18a
84mm
JE 9.0:1 forged
Eagle H-Beams
Step decked and o-ringed
ARP Head Studs
OEM Honda CRV head gasket
Golden Eagle LS/VTEC conversion Kit
'98 GSR Head
JDM ITR cams
AEBS intake mani
BBK 70mm throttle body
AEM fuel Rail
1000cc precision injectors
all oem bearings and gaskets
type-r oil pump
type-r water pump
Eaqual length ramhorn
3" downpipe and 3" exhaust to a N1 turbo can
t3/to4e
35mm Turbonetics evolution wastegate
2.5" I/C piping
24x18x3 FMIC
Fluideyne Radiator
hondata s200b
gsr trans
clutchmasters 8lb flywheel
clutchmasters 4 puck FX500

JDM00SI

Nice set ups....
Im putting together my Turbo LS VTEC as we talk....
Do yuou guys run girdles? What redlines do u hit?

Dunc

A lot of people will tell you that they aren't needed. I just like assurance so I use one. I'm using the ERL 5-main girdle.

EDIT: Oh yea, and I rev to 8500....but its been tuned to 9200.


Modified by Dunc at 5:11 PM 1/31/2006

rondigs

I use one as well. GSR girdle machined to fit the LS block. Ususally rev to 8600. Is it absolutely necessary, who knows? Did honda put it on the gsr and itr, yep.

wickedEG

Head:
- GSR head
- Ported/Polished
- Toda B Cams
- Super tech Valves
- Toda Valve Springs
- Skunk2 Titanium Retainers
- Toda Cam Gears
- Cometic headgasket
- ARP Head Bolts

Block:
- 85mm LS block
- GSR knife edged crank
- Manley rods
- Endyn Rollerwave 10.2:1 85mm Coated Pistons
- ERL 5-Main Girdle
- GSR pickup
- Toda timing belt
- Toda Oil Pump
- Hasport race mounts

Turbo:
- Full-Race Topmount
- Innovative GTS70 turbo with custom inlet wheel & intake housing
- Innovative 900hp Intercooler
- Tial 46mm Wastegate
- Tial 50mm BOV
- PB motors 4" Downpipe
- Burnsstainless ultra light 4" muffler with PB MOTORS SS 4" piping

Fuel System:
- Aeromotive Eliminator fuel pump
- Aeromotive -12 Fuel Filter
- GE Fuel Rail
- Innovative 1600cc Injectors
- Aeromotive Fuel Regulator
- moroso fuel sump
- -10AN Earls Feed & -8 Return Lines

Transmission
- GSR
- Clutch master Twin Disk Clutch
- Kaaz LSD

Tuning:
- AEM EMS & 5 bar map, wideband

Cooling
- Pwr Radiator

Ignition:
- MSD 7AL
- MSD HAV2
- Crane Distributor Cap
- Magancore 10mm Wires
- NGK BKR7E Spark Plugs

Suspension
- Tein Flex Coilovers
- Skunk 2 Camber Kit

Wheels
-Welds 13x8
-Welds 15x3 Magnum Import 1PC. Gold
-M&h 25x8.7
-M&H 15x3 1/2

Intake:
- Profab I/M Gasket
- Edelbrock Victor X Intake Manifold
- Edelbrock 74mm T/B
- Endyn Breather Catch Can

Car
-92 HB
-10 point cage
-stroud chute, window net
and the list goes on and on


Modified by wickedEG at 1:25 PM 2/1/2006

Dunc

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

That setup demands a ton of good quality pictures.

Freeltec

^^^ what he said, keep em coming

LST2

No pic yet but here you go:

Head:
- GSR head
- ITR Cams
- Rev valves, springs, titanium retainers
- Skunk2 adjustable gears
- ARP Head Bolts

Block:
- 85mm LS block
- Darton MID Sleves
- Balanced LS crank
- Eagle Rods
- 9:1 CP Pistons
- GSR oil pump and water pump
- Hasport race mounts

Turbo:
- Equal lenght mani
- Full Race T3/T67 .63AR stage V wheel
- 750hp Intercooler
- Tial 38mm Wastegate
- HSK SSQBOV
- 3" open exhaust

Fuel System:
- Walbro 255lph pump
- RC 750cc injectors
- Water/Methaonol injection
- Nitrous Injection (soon to be hooked up)

Transmission
- LS
- ACT Maxx Extreeme PP with 6 puck race disk
- Quaife LSD

Tuning:
- Uberdata, Techedge WB, 4 EGTs
- APexi Grear/RPM based EBC

Ignition:
- MSD Cap, wires and blaster coil
- VPower racing plugs with 9step temp

Suspension
- KYG adjustable struts
- Omni Power Coilovers - 14K rear, 8K front
- L-Con traction bar

Wheels
- 17X7.5
- 225/45/17 BFG Drags

Intake:
- BBK Intake Manifold
- BBK 70mm Throttle body

Car
-95 LS

ramrod

Chrome Pipes,

i currently have my LS boosted, and i'm thinking about putting on a b16 head.

what are you revving your stock block to? im very curious because it seems like your setup is working great, and like you said, most ppl have told me that the stock bottom end is unreliable when revving high.

also, do you have a dyno sheet by any chance, i would really like to see the powerband on your setup, since mine will be almost identical.

thanks

JDM turbo DC

iTrader: (6)

after lookin at this thread, i'm about to throw vtec head on my LS turbo

i have a stock bottom block right now and prolly get some rods and pistons and boost up to 10lbs, what kind of head,

SI or GSR?

slowteg550

whatever you can find cheapest

LST2

Yeah. I think the only difference is the B16 has a slightly smaller combustion chamber so a little more compression with the same pistons. The combustion quenching may be a bit better in the GSR but I may be wrong on that.