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just rebuilt my block eagle rods woes I 9.6:1 pistons oem oil and water pump,my head is in the shop now, had a cracked valve guide so itís getting super tech guides, Ferrea 6000 intake valves and comp plus exhaust valves, Sk2 pro 1 cams, sk2 valve springs, sk2ti retainers, sk2 lmas, oem valve seals, and sk2 cam gears, tons of other stuff done to my car too but will get to all that later
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Goals? Intended use?

Looks good, but let us know more about what you're up to bruh.
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Well I didnít sleeve my block so I am gonna keep it around 500whp, I have a spare jdm type r block Iím gonna send out some day and have sleeved then swap the two, itís gonna be driven on street mostly, maybe tracked one weekend a month. Gonna be going with a sheepey top mount a/c compatible setup with a Garrett GTX3682r on e85. Gonna take my time and do it right, maybe have it ready spring of next year
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When it was still drivable, itís in pieces in the garage now

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Well I didnít sleeve my block so I am gonna keep it around 500whp, I have a spare jdm type r block Iím gonna send out some day and have sleeved then swap the two, itís gonna be driven on street mostly, maybe tracked one weekend a month. Gonna be going with a sheepey top mount a/c compatible setup with a Garrett GTX3582r on e85. Gonna take my time and do it right, maybe have it ready spring of next year
Why such an inefficient turbo / Exhaust Manifold selection for an unsleeved block? What's the purpose of the car again? Drag Racing only?
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just rebuilt my block eagle rods woes I 9.6:1 pistons oem oil and water pump,my head is in the shop now, had a cracked valve guide so itís getting super tech guides, Ferrea 6000 intake valves and comp plus exhaust valves, Sk2 pro 1 cams, sk2 valve springs, sk2ti retainers, sk2 lmas, oem valve seals, and sk2 cam gears, tons of other stuff done to my car too but will get to all that later
If you plant to run anything like a Kelford or GSC-T1 purpose made camshaft, please do not use the spring style LMAs without accounting for tighter valve lash. Or stick to the hydraulic LMAs if you plan to use an aftermarket camshaft like I just mentioned.
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Well I didnít sleeve my block so I am gonna keep it around 500whp, I have a spare jdm type r block Iím gonna send out some day and have sleeved then swap the two, itís gonna be driven on street mostly, maybe tracked one weekend a month. Gonna be going with a sheepey top mount a/c compatible setup with a Garrett GTX3682r on e85. Gonna take my time and do it right, maybe have it ready spring of next year
Regardless of whether you can make your stock sleeves last at 500whp, that turbo seems too large for the goal. Also it is going to suck driving on the street with a top mount and oversized turbo.

For a street car it would be best to choose components geared towards a faster spool and better mid-range power.
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Mini ram and 30r or similar sized if you want to have any type of responsiveness on the street. A top mount and 35r is going to have a light switch power band, gonna be lag lag lag, instant wheel spin, banging limiter while you watch the tail lights of the car youíre racing pull away lol. Iím just saying unless this is a straight up drag car there are much better options available.

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I have a spare jdm type r block that Iím sending off to have sleeved, the real goal was 700-800whp to begin with but couldnít get the approval for another $1200+ at the time from the wife with my first child on the way, when I get the sleeved block it will be a straight drag car and the unsleeved block is going in a eg hatch, the head already has sk2 pro1 cams, they were in it when I got the engine, it made tons of racket from the stock lmas so I swapped them out
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So far
Block mods:
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Eagle rods
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Ati super street damper
New oem water pump
New oem oil pump
New oem gaskets and sensors
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Head mods:
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Ferrea comp plus exhaust valves
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B18c5
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Future mods:
Garrett Gtx3582r with rial v band housing
Sheepey a/c compatible t3 top mount manifold
sheepey 850hp intercooler
sheepey catch can(have)
Custom downpipe
Custom intercooler piping
turbosmart 45mm hypergate (have)
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and of course a retune
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Mini ram and 30r or similar sized if you want to have any type of responsiveness on the street. A top mount and 35r is going to have a light switch power band, gonna be lag lag lag, instant wheel spin, banging limiter while you watch the tail lights of the car youíre racing pull away lol. Iím just saying unless this is a straight up drag car there are much better options available.

clean car btw 👍🏼
is a 30r enough turbo for those cams? Feels like over the years I've read that the pro 1's don't play nice with less than 60+ lbs/min or so.... something about too much overlap.
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I am aware the turbo and mani are overkill for 500whp, But Iím kinda torn on what I wanna do I have the 95 hatch and em1, one is gonna be street and one is gonna be strip, donít really know for sure which is gonna be which, one will get the non sleeved block and full race ram horn I have with precision 5858 that I have, and the other will be sleeved with sheepey topmount and gtx35r, the eg hatch is farther from being ready and I am dying to drive a somewhat fast car again, my daily is a 17 ct200h f sport so yeah Iím pretty much dying, I had decided the em1 was gonna be the drag car but Iím still very torn thatís why I put the turbo setup as the bigger setup, but it already has the non sleeved block so I may leave it and slap the ram horn on it and make the hatch the drag car, Iím way to indecisive lol
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I was told the pro1s really need at least a 62mm, im tempted to just trade for some stock type r cams
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I am aware the turbo and mani are overkill for 500whp, But Iím kinda torn on what I wanna do I have the 95 hatch and em1, one is gonna be street and one is gonna be strip, donít really know for sure which is gonna be which, one will get the non sleeved block and full race ram horn I have with precision 5858 that I have, and the other will be sleeved with sheepey topmount and gtx35r, the eg hatch is farther from being ready and I am dying to drive a somewhat fast car again, my daily is a 17 ct200h f sport so yeah Iím pretty much dying, I had decided the em1 was gonna be the drag car but Iím still very torn thatís why I put the turbo setup as the bigger setup, but it already has the non sleeved block so I may leave it and slap the ram horn on it and make the hatch the drag car, Iím way to indecisive lol
You need to focus on the purpose.. One at time..just do one at a time. There is nothing to be torn on. Focus and slow down.

Don't "Slap on" anything. Think..
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I was told the pro1s really need at least a 62mm, im tempted to just trade for some stock type r cams
You were told correctly
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Iím just torn on which car I want to be my drag car, but yeah with the engine I have Iím trying to utilize those cams and letting them dictate my build, I donít need to do that, I really like driving my em1, itís overall a nicer car so I really want to make it my street car, so if I ditch those cams and get stock Itr cams and use the turbo setup I already have, then fab my ic piping and down pipe and get the rest of what I need she will be ready to go way cheaper and quicker, then I can just start fresh with the drag car, this isnít my first rodeo just so yíall know I come from the dsm world lol, and been working on tuners for a while, but also have had a little of everything, and trust me I wonít just slap stuff together, thatís why I havenít gotten my bigger turbo or manifold yet, just hadnít decided for sure yet, and thanks for the input shodan, your a legend bro and been reading your stuff for years
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If you plant to run anything like a Kelford or GSC-T1 purpose made camshaft, please do not use the spring style LMAs without accounting for tighter valve lash. Or stick to the hydraulic LMAs if you plan to use an aftermarket camshaft like I just mentioned.
That's interesting, what have been your experiences with the spring style LMAs on those cams? Last I spoke to GSC they didn't tell me anything special about them, actually stated that it's a toss up whether to use hydraulics or springs. Are the springs known to bind on them?

Tighter valve lash, any idea how much tighter?

Side-note: I've become more and more attracted to the look of the EM1's, and 6th gens in general. I like the look of the car, OP.
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That's interesting, what have been your experiences with the spring style LMAs on those cams? Last I spoke to GSC they didn't tell me anything special about them, actually stated that it's a toss up whether to use hydraulics or springs. Are the springs known to bind on them?

Tighter valve lash, any idea how much tighter?

Side-note: I've become more and more attracted to the look of the EM1's, and 6th gens in general. I like the look of the car, OP.
Well, honestly, from feedback from both manufacturers and users alike. Without a slightly tighter lash for cold start on the spring LMAs, there is abnormal wear on the camshaft lobea. GSC hasn't made much mention of this, ( I can't speak for them so, I will not really speculate or assume I know their thought process) , but it's more than likely because, they never thought that Honda B-series users would switch LMA styles on something over 25 , years old. As much as they thought of everything, that wasn't part of the design cues. Remember, they work with over 15 different engine profiles and don't follow h-t or other areas for trend changes; if they did, they'd never be able to release anything in a reasonable time period.

I'll try to expand more in the GSC thread, as I don't want to take this one too far off track..
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So I purchased a pte 5858 jb. Going to get mini ram or Ramhorn mani, posted the pro1 cams on eBay and they have bids so they should sell. So given my hp goal for this car of 500whp which cams would you all recommend, been researching turbo cams and relevant hp ranges, so just wanting your opinions, are Kelford 176-T or GSC 6015T1 to aggressive? Would I be better off to stick with gsr, itr, sk2 tuner 1, or something totally different? Seems like the Kelford and GSC geared more towards 600+
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So I purchased a pte 5858 jb. Going to get mini ram or Ramhorn mani, posted the pro1 cams on eBay and they have bids so they should sell. So given my hp goal for this car of 500whp which cams would you all recommend, been researching turbo cams and relevant hp ranges, so just wanting your opinions, are Kelford 176-T or GSC 6015T1 to aggressive? Would I be better off to stick with gsr, itr, sk2 tuner 1, or something totally different? Seems like the Kelford and GSC geared more towards 600+
GSC'sc with with anything over 35lbs/min (less than 400whp). T-176 Kelfords seem.to be in the same class
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Took everyoneís advice/opinions into consideration and ended up selling the pro 1s and buying tuner 1s, I looked into sheepey built, Klm fab, and speedfactory for thei a/c compatible ramhorn and ultimately went with speedfactory, and that will be paired with a jb 5858 that I got from ht marketplace, so now just need to get turbosmart comp40 or tial mvs 38mm wastegate, and Intercooler, make Intercooler pipes, and a little more fuel components, what you all think? Any input on the parts I still need, gonna get 1300cc injectors and a walbro to 450lph pump, think that will be plenty for 500whp on e85, what about ic, brands you all prefer and all that
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Looking good! I just got my speedfactory manifold a few weeks ago and it is fkn beautiful!
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