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Old 02-26-2009, 06:18 PM
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Default need n2o suggestions-b16 11.5cr on e85

ok trying to get in the 12's, just put a 100hp wet kit on my crx that has a b16 in it. before i spray it i would like some advice from the pro's and average joe's. and yes i have read the nitrous threads just want some opinions.
ok trying to get in the 12's, just put a 100hp wet kit on my crx that has a b16 in it. before i spray it i would like some advice from the pro's and average joe's. and yes i have read the nitrous threads just want some opinions. my mods are:
b16a
ctr clone pistons 10.9-11.1cr
dh racing single layer head gasket adds .5 to cr
dh racing dual valve springs and retainers
brian crower stage 2 all motor cams
buddy club cam gears +1i +1e
port and polished head
aebs intake manifold and tb port matched 68mm
hondata intake gasket
password carbon whale ***** intake
nology wires
accel 370cc injectors
ngk 7 spark plugs
hytech header
custom 3" exhaust to a 3" apexi n1 muffler
custom chipped pr3 ecu to 29* timing
vafc2
j1 trans with drag spool
fidanza 7.5lb flywheel
exedy stage 1 clutch kit
dynotune n2o kit with bottle heater


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Old 02-26-2009, 06:20 PM
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Default Re: need n2o suggestions-b16 11.5cr on e85

fogort to mention it's tuned on e85 (105 octane)
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i dont know much about nitrous, but is 370cc injectors and a vafc enough for fuel and tuning for a 100 shot, and doesnt e85 require even more fuel.
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Default Re: need n2o suggestions-b16 11.5cr on e85

E85 requires about 30% more fuel than pump gas. Make sure you have the injector and pump capacity before you light it up. I'm not informed about fuel needs for NOS but I would think that 370 cc injectors might be on the light side.
Good luck!

Nitrous guys?
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Default Re: need n2o suggestions-b16 11.5cr on e85

i also have a walbro 255 fuel pump and my ecu is tuned with BRE, it's sort of like Crome but for obd-0. as for the vafc2 it's just there for looks now.
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Default Re: need n2o suggestions-b16 11.5cr on e85

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ok trying to get in the 12's, just put a 100hp wet kit on my crx that has a b16 in it. before i spray it i would like some advice from the pro's and average joe's. and yes i have read the nitrous threads just want some opinions. my mods are:
b16a
ctr clone pistons 10.9-11.1cr
dh racing single layer head gasket adds .5 to cr
dh racing dual valve springs and retainers
brian crower stage 2 all motor cams
buddy club cam gears +1i +1e
port and polished head
aebs intake manifold and tb port matched 68mm
hondata intake gasket
password carbon whale ***** intake
nology wires
accel 370cc injectors
ngk 7 spark plugs
hytech header
custom 3" exhaust to a 3" apexi n1 muffler
custom chipped pr3 ecu to 29* timing
vafc2
j1 trans with drag spool
fidanza 7.5lb flywheel
exedy stage 1 clutch kit
dynotune n2o kit with bottle heater
Advice? I don't see where you asked any questions?
Old 02-27-2009, 10:25 AM
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Default Re: need n2o suggestions-b16 11.5cr on e85

some peoples kids, ok....i was looking for some input on this setup on the spray. was wondering if i should spray it as is or swap or add some things (ie head gasket, head studs, pistons,etc)
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Default Re: need n2o suggestions-b16 11.5cr on e85

You didn't read the Nitrous thread then at all.
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Default Re: need n2o suggestions-b16 11.5cr on e85

i have read the nitrous thread and there is a lot of good info in it and that's why i'm thinking twice about spraying right away. but i want to hear suggetions or thoughts on MY setup.
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Default Re: need n2o suggestions-b16 11.5cr on e85

Wet or dry? Single or DP? What will control timing? Window switch? Progressive box? Do you know the actual CC'd CR or is the 11:1 a guess? Gas? Do you have enough pump? Injectors seem small for A E85 build. What rods? Hardware(ARP)? WTF is a clone piston, if it's not forged then I wouldn't go over a small shot of about 30% of your hp. Do you intend to run a real EMS with the spray?

In a nut shell, I can't think much of something I know less then 25%, of what matters, about. Never heard of that nitrous kit either(Dynotune?)

EDIT: Just looked it up on the net, from the nozzle designs I wouldn't use it at all.

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Default Re: need n2o suggestions-b16 11.5cr on e85

you obviously didn't read all of my thread did you? or your some kind of thread bully who knows very little about tuning. either way keep posting negative replies. i think people find it alot more entertaining than reading just "bump".
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Default Re: need n2o suggestions-b16 11.5cr on e85

Sorry, you're right I found a couple answers, wet and you have a 255 pump. I am not familiar with BRE though thats why I asked, what does it have built in for nitrous controls for fuel and timing? Is this a single nozzle application?

If you were to really read the nitrous thread you would already know that forged internals, properly gapped rings and ARP hardware is a solid foundation when it comes to decent sized jet nitrous use. 100 on a single can be hard to efficently manage regardless, but you will need a progressive box of some kind if you want to manage that power. E85 is a great pump gas for nitrous though if you don't plan on running an Aux. Cell, if you do C16 is your friend. I would look into a better nozzle and a DP instead. Dry DP is way more tuner friendly allowing you to make fuel change across the RPm range vs. limiting it to a jet size though. If you think you are really in the 11's for CR, you have some room. I would take a little more then the "standard" 2* per 50 if you still plan to run a single nozzle to protect the distribution differences between #1 and #4.

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Default Re: need n2o suggestions-b16 11.5cr on e85

i'm running a dohc b16a1 not a single cam. bre really doesn't have any features for n2o but i plan on retarding the timing with it -4* from stock b16.
what single fogger nozzle do you recommend?

ok, you mean single fogger.....got it. and i'll double the timing retard, thanks.

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Default Re: need n2o suggestions-b16 11.5cr on e85

Single nozzle...not cams. No don't double it...extra meaning 1-2* of total timing.

Honestly, I prefer either E-Series from Edlebrock or a Fogger 2 from NOS. I am not in favor of controling timing like that at all. That's what I thought about the crome/Bre stuff, thats why I asked if this is the EMS you intend to spray with. You really should stick to a 75 or below with what you have, IMO. Your motor really wasn't built with the intent to run on spray, this sounds like an after thought, which is ok just keep it within reason. Start small, learn to read the plugs and work your way up.

I would rather see you spray less and learn more/have fun, then blow up your motor due to poor planning and management and have another person cursing nitrous.

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true. i built this motor to be a reliable n/a b16 but like most every other all motor b16 build i've read about it left me wanting more. i'll give that nozzle a try i actually have a edelbrock e2 nozzle laying around with 50hp shot jets but my new dynotune jets wont fit it. edelbrock, and nx use the bigger base jets. i'll have to order a new 40% bigger fuel jet anyways to compensate for the e85. you think that 50 shot and my other mods will get me 12's my best so far is a 13.5 on bfg's. my launch is decent 2.0 60fts with 2step.
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