need help with turbo d16 build
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need help with turbo d16 build
ok guys ycp pistons,pins,and rings,with eagle rods, mini ram speed factory, t3/t4e,57 trim,stage 3 turbine wheel graaett journal bearing , speed factory 4 bar map sensor, walbro hp 255 fuel pump and stock head what you think of my setup man
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Re: need help with turbo d16 build
You have left out alot of information for any of us to even guess numbers for you....but then again, why would we??? You should have a goal for how much power you want, then you show up to the tuner, state your goal(s) for the car, and see what happens.
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So, you have a goal on power but already know what psi your going to run? Thats not how it works...tell the tuner the goal and you'll see what happens....that means the boost pressure could be anything upon tuning...8, 10, 12, 15, 20 for all you know
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Lots of things...but thats dependant upon money.
Dont see in your list fuel injector size, charge piping size, dp/exhaust size & setup.....
Dont see in your list fuel injector size, charge piping size, dp/exhaust size & setup.....
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OP, with all regards to helping you, I think you need to back up a few steps. There is a lot of missing information and misunderstood concepts in your posts.
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From what I read about your setup and power goals of 250-300hp, it will be no problem with a good tune. If you want to increase effiency and produce your power goals at lower boost pressures, a good turbo camshaft like a Bisimoto Level 2.4 with springs and retainers will greatly help you out. We have seen improvements of as much as 80whp over the factory camshaft at 20psi! Hit me up and I will hook you up with a deal on one!
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The Bisi Lv 2.4 seems more like a track cam. Isn't it a tad excessive for 250-300HP? How is the idle and daily drivability?
OP, research and remember to keep it simple.
OP, research and remember to keep it simple.
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I have a very similar setup. D16Y8 hear as a daily driver. You've left out a lot of misc stuff that will nickel and dime you. My setup mostly
CP 9:1, eagle rods, arp head studs, stock cam and head with a fresh valve job. Stock intake and throttle body on mine.
go-autoworks SS mainfold, precision 5431 turbo, tail wastegate, hks bov
255 lph fuel pump, ID 1000 injectors (over kill capacity but I got them for the superior drive ability and stable street manners since this was a DD)
Hondata S300, boost gauge, wideband and a real temp gauge (minimum required to do tuning imho)
4bar map, boost controller
J&S Vampire anti-knock (automatically pulls timing at the slightest hint of detonation and saves ones motor). An absolute must for the self tuner such as myself in my opinion.
NGK 7BRE plugs gapped around 0.28 (any bigger and I get spark blow out)
Ebay intercooler and piping + oil feed line. Custom built oil return.
2.5" custom made down pipe I built myself to keep a/c as well as recirculating dump tube. Full 3" exhaust with cat, resonator and dynmax
muffler. Electric cutout for fun.
Extra outlet welded to valve cover for two vents to catch can.
Check valve to protect PCV system when in boost. This keeps a functional PCV system. (most on this site delete PCV but doesn't mean its right).
SPAL fan for cooling
Stage 1.5 comp clutch, tranny rebuilt with carbon fiber syncros and m-factory locker. Some better rims and tires for traction.
Still to come: water/meth injection as I'm around 15 PSI on 91 pump gas and had to pull a fair amount of timing due to detonation. I think I'm only running around 10 or 11 degrees timing at WOT around 6k rpms. Providing the timing relationship between the S300 and my distributor is all set correctly that's what the tune is saying it is anyways.
I have not been on the dyno, car is street tuned, but my butto meter says approx 250 whp based on how it pulls and does with cars I race. Come spring I'll get it on a dyno and get timing dialed in correctly and see what it really makes.
As for your goal of 20 PSI on 93 octane, I'd say a lot of timing will be pulled to make that happen. It's somewhat counter intuitive, you could just as easily lower boost a little and add timing for the same HP... and you'd have cooler IATs at lower boost. Keep us updated.
CP 9:1, eagle rods, arp head studs, stock cam and head with a fresh valve job. Stock intake and throttle body on mine.
go-autoworks SS mainfold, precision 5431 turbo, tail wastegate, hks bov
255 lph fuel pump, ID 1000 injectors (over kill capacity but I got them for the superior drive ability and stable street manners since this was a DD)
Hondata S300, boost gauge, wideband and a real temp gauge (minimum required to do tuning imho)
4bar map, boost controller
J&S Vampire anti-knock (automatically pulls timing at the slightest hint of detonation and saves ones motor). An absolute must for the self tuner such as myself in my opinion.
NGK 7BRE plugs gapped around 0.28 (any bigger and I get spark blow out)
Ebay intercooler and piping + oil feed line. Custom built oil return.
2.5" custom made down pipe I built myself to keep a/c as well as recirculating dump tube. Full 3" exhaust with cat, resonator and dynmax
muffler. Electric cutout for fun.
Extra outlet welded to valve cover for two vents to catch can.
Check valve to protect PCV system when in boost. This keeps a functional PCV system. (most on this site delete PCV but doesn't mean its right).
SPAL fan for cooling
Stage 1.5 comp clutch, tranny rebuilt with carbon fiber syncros and m-factory locker. Some better rims and tires for traction.
Still to come: water/meth injection as I'm around 15 PSI on 91 pump gas and had to pull a fair amount of timing due to detonation. I think I'm only running around 10 or 11 degrees timing at WOT around 6k rpms. Providing the timing relationship between the S300 and my distributor is all set correctly that's what the tune is saying it is anyways.
I have not been on the dyno, car is street tuned, but my butto meter says approx 250 whp based on how it pulls and does with cars I race. Come spring I'll get it on a dyno and get timing dialed in correctly and see what it really makes.
As for your goal of 20 PSI on 93 octane, I'd say a lot of timing will be pulled to make that happen. It's somewhat counter intuitive, you could just as easily lower boost a little and add timing for the same HP... and you'd have cooler IATs at lower boost. Keep us updated.
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lol yeah you will be running like 8 degrees total timing at 20 psi.
here is some good advice. work on the gearing in your transmission. the oem sohc vtec trans is pretty long similar to b series ls trans.
here is some good advice. work on the gearing in your transmission. the oem sohc vtec trans is pretty long similar to b series ls trans.
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no my friend got the greddy kit its turbo turbo manifold and down pipe the turbo is td04 little turbo i was thinking for now it would work with my motor on like 15 psi and then when i want 300 in the summer i could buy a bigger turbo i already have vitara pistons and rods arp head studs 255 fuel pump oem head gasket block is bored and everything ready to go and the greddy kit is real boy payed 2,000 dollars for it 3 years ago
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It would work
But some advice....
Ditch the stock downpipe and elbow, its tiny and restrictive, causes boost spikes, etc.
Build a 3" downpipe from turbo outlet back... and port the turbo inlet and the manifold outlet, they always have overlap.. also port the wastegate flapper hole... this will give you better boost control and stabikization , especially when combined/done with the bigger downpipe
But some advice....
Ditch the stock downpipe and elbow, its tiny and restrictive, causes boost spikes, etc.
Build a 3" downpipe from turbo outlet back... and port the turbo inlet and the manifold outlet, they always have overlap.. also port the wastegate flapper hole... this will give you better boost control and stabikization , especially when combined/done with the bigger downpipe
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Re: need help with turbo d16 build
exactly
dont expect mind boggling numbers from the 15g.... you'll make maybe 225... I've seen a guy with the greddy 18g kit on a y8 make mid 300s
dont expect mind boggling numbers from the 15g.... you'll make maybe 225... I've seen a guy with the greddy 18g kit on a y8 make mid 300s