broketuner-Sol_Si

Modified by broketuner-Sol_Si at 11:51 PM 1/6/2008

eastbay92cx

You definately don't need the fuel rail, the FPR isn't necessary either. You could also use the stock fuel pump. You are going to need some larger injectors however (i'd recommend some used dsm 450s). This should get you to your 200whp goal. I'd recommend reading over various other users setups, both on here and homemadeturbo.com, turbod16.com. 200whp sohc setups have been documented time and time again on these boards, and it's pretty (relatively) simple to copy what others have done and are running with reliably. good luck

quicksilver1689

Screw the stock fuel pump he has good ideas upgrading too a walbro its just peace of mind.

S@nt0s

once i get back to the 805 u will have a idea of what the set up will feel like since i have that set up but on a greddy kit on 15psi.. im installing teh 59300 in the next few weeks too...

broketuner-Sol_Si

well to get to 250whp after I plan on doing all the things mentioned a little lower wouldn't the fpr and fuel rail be necessary? I've been told/read that the stock fuel system is typically only good till about 175-190whp

S@nt0s

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not true..... altho i have not dynoed my car i am at 15psi and ive done plenty of cars to knwo i am well over 200whp i would say roughly 230ish right now and i have a stock FPR and fuel rail......

broketuner-Sol_Si

ok, cool. so just bigger injectors & pump if I want to boost to more than 200whp?

S@nt0s

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u can run tock 240cc injectors to about 180whp........

JoePSI

No need for a FPR or Fuel rail.
Instead, get a Walbro 255 and larger injectors.

93supercoupe

the stock rail and regulator is good for well over 400

90sedan

Like everyone else has said, keep the stock fuel rail and no need for a fpr.


You goals are actually a little low, with the engine built like that you can easily acheive over 300whp


Stock d16's are usally reliable to around 220whp

broketuner-Sol_Si

Is it true that I can expect an extra 25-30whp after tuning with the cam I mentioned(or a similar JG one) after the car is turbo'd, I was told this by a local shop owner who reccomended either of those, I just thought that estimate seemed kind of high(he told me that estimate after I told him what I plan on using and that I don't plan to boost more than 10psi on the BB T28).

The reason I ask is I haven't seen any before and after where just the cam was changed(though I have seen a before and after where the cam, turbo mani, IM & TB were all changed out, with very impressiuve results)

JoePSI

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by broketuner-sol_si &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Is it true that I can expect an extra 25-30whp after tuning with the cam I mentioned(or a similar JG one) after the car is turbo'd, I was told this by a local shop owner who reccomended either of those, I just thought that estimate seemed kind of high(he told me that estimate after I told him what I plan on using and that I don't plan to boost more than 10psi on the BB T28).

The reason I ask is I haven't seen any before and after where just the cam was changed(though I have seen a before and after where the cam, turbo mani, IM & TB were all changed out, with very impressiuve results)</TD></TR></TABLE>

a gain of 25-30 hp with a cam is realistic, since you are going to upgrade your valvetrain you will be able to run an agressive cam. I would estimate alot more than just 30hp increase from a built valvetrain and cam.

WickedHonda00

"You definately don't need the fuel rail, the FPR isn't necessary either. You could also use the stock fuel pump. You are going to need some larger injectors however (i'd recommend some used dsm 450s). This should get you to your 200whp goal. I'd recommend reading over various other users setups, both on here and homemadeturbo.com, turbod16.com. 200whp sohc setups have been documented time and time again on these boards, and it's pretty (relatively) simple to copy what others have done and are running with reliably. good luck"

He's not BS'in. Fuel rail can handle 600hp, fuel pump can handle 400hp, injectors need to be 310cc, that will give about maximum duty for 200whp. Use a standalone system to tune. Also, there's no need for a larger throttle body, instead, buy an edelbrock intake manifold. This will help LOTS. Throttle body makes no difference because velocity will remain the same because the intake mani is boosted to a certain psi. However, a ported mani or aftermarket will allow more volume of air into the manifold giving you more power all together.

WickedHonda00

"well to get to 250whp after I plan on doing all the things mentioned a little lower wouldn't the fpr and fuel rail be necessary? I've been told/read that the stock fuel system is typically only good till about 175-190whp"

You were hearing about the fuel injectors I imagine. Pump and rail is good for power way beyond your goals.

broketuner-Sol_Si

Yeah for the IM I was thinking about getting a y8 and then port matching that(I've heard it flows better than z6 IM). Though, if I can afford it a skunk2 pro series or edlebrock would be cool, especially if that were port matched to the gasket.

So TB just a waste of money? My thought process is more air coming towards the IM the more air the TB needs to let in.

Tuning will most likely be on crome pro.

I don't plan to sleeve the block because of how cheap the SOHC replacement motors are.

broketuner-Sol_Si

well looks like I will not get my $$ back for the turbo I bought from Anthonie Dixon(StRoKeD-B16bEj2), much less a replacement turbo that can be rebuilt.... so what T3 turbos would you guys recommend. Keep in mind my absolute max goal for the motor is 250whp(Because I will not be sleeving the block).

I was thinking of the T3 super 60(quite a few people have recommended that) or a "normal" T3 (I was told if I were to go with a regular t3 get everything the smallest possible)

broketuner-Sol_Si

Hows the spool up on the Greddy 15G turbos on a stock d16z6? the reason I ask is I came across a potentially good deal I think could work out:

Greddy mani.
Greddy 15G(in good condition...no leaks, no smoke, no shaftplay)
Greddy DP

for $500.

Is that a good deal? I was thinking it seems a little high because the same combo but, with the turbo needing to be rebuilt go for 100-150. not trying to seem stupid, my thought process is that a basic rebuild is 250-300 at most places I've checked with, so 100-150(combo with turbo needing rebuild) + 250-300(rebuild cost) = 350-450(for the same combo but the turbo being freshly rebuilt).

Thanks in advance for the help. Still can't believe I got took on that junk T28 ,oh well it was bound to happen sooner or later.

RyanEJ8

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Stock fuel rail is good to at least 500whp. I have an AEM, but it's nothing more than eye candy.

broketuner-Sol_Si

ok. I changed my plans for when I first go turbo to use the stock fuel system(including injectors) to get my first goal of 150-175whp down.

BTW, is that greddy combo a good price?

S@nt0s

Brad that set u found for 150 was not including the dp off the elbow just so u know....

I am modding the dp as well soon. Saturday the cam goes in and getting retuned.....I can't do a before n after since time is stricted but I'm sure I will soon be the highest greddy kit whp......heheheheh

broketuner-Sol_Si

Oh, ok santos, oh btw it's Sean..lol not sure where brad came from, oh well. So the combo you'd be selling would include a full DP not just the elbow? But yeah look forward to hearing from you about a possible ride along and results, how much power you planning on making?



Modified by broketuner-sol_si at 12:53 PM 8/31/2006

broketuner-Sol_Si

would it be a good idea to go with slightly smaller piping for the FMIC setup? the reason I ask is quite a few setups I've seen lately have 2" or 2.25" piping.

S@nt0s

My fault Sean...... I can't remember if mine is 2" or 2.25" to the fmic...... And yes it will come with the dp off the elbow...

I am looking for 250+ come saturday night......

broketuner-Sol_Si

awsome. just gotta pay off my school first, then I'll pick up that combo from you. so 250+whp huh, I take it you have and LSD already?