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I bought an EG6 Turbo project to finish, and now I have:
B16A2
Supertech components head
Stock Cams
Wiseco Stock CR, 81mm
Eagle rod
Eagle Crank
Ram horn turbo manifold
Tial BOV and WG
MSD Blaster
Stock intake/tbi
160lbs Injectors (I will use ethanol)
Dw300 pump
2.5” pressurization
3”exaust
Hondata S300
Im looking for 500whp, its my first 250+ turbo build. I have to buy some part that I didn´t decided yet.
Turbo Master Power R545 or bigger ?
Cam´s ITR or Bc stg 2 ?
Intake 68mm+ OEM ported is enough ?
I hope you can help on my questions and give your opinion about all the project.
Crank was a waste of money. BC stage 2 is a nice set of cams... Turbonetics T66 would be my personal choice for a 500whp goal...that turbo would probably be right around 24psi on that motor for 500whp so a 3bar map will do and are U going with stock sleeves?
Master Power Brasil makes really nice turbochargers. I'm so sorry the internet tarnished the reputation of a good company. an R545 is similar to a modified T3/T04E 50 trim (in Garrett terms) with a slightly more aggressive exhaust wheel. For 500whp, its already at the limit of its potential, even with the larger exhaust wheel.
The T66 is just WAY too large for a simple 500whp. at 25psi you're already over 650whp, and for where you are, even with Soy-based ethanol, it would be for drag racing only. Go a few sizes smaller, and you can do it well enough even on a B16 without having such a peaky powerband and a lot of lag.
Even an R595 would be a better match for it. Better compressor wheel / turbine wheel match for 500whp. And still not NEARLY as big as a T66, which is similar to a Master Power R6564.. that's just too large.
And that's fine.. my focus isn't about the boost pressure that it takes to do 500. 15psi, or 25psi, that's not even the point. It's that it is a very peaky 500whp in which a well-matched 350whp would have better control and acceleration. The boost/ rpm curve tells the story. Something that peak power numbers never like to show.
Again, my post wasn't to say it couldn't be done, it was to say it is not the best choice considering his location ( short roads, winding) abd driving needs..
A 7 year old article using decades old technology.... Worthless
With today's turbo technology anything with a T designation is old. There are much smaller, more efficient turbos that can make the same if not more power.
And there are plenty of drag cars still running this setup. If its a street car go small with a gt30r. It was never specified what the car was being used for and that's also why I asked if he was going sleeved with ethanol and with that turbo, there's room to grow. BC stg 2 cams are a great idea and the crank was a waste. We all want more as time goes on. It was just an opinion and if others suggest something he'd rather have he can make that decision. If I'm wrong I'm wrong. I run d-series only so just going off friend's experiences for my suggestions on b's.
Not really. Innovative turbo went under years ago and a few former employees started Comp Turbo.
The fast drag cars in each class don't run anything like an old T series turbo. It's all larger precision turbos, 6262 and larger and large Garrett turbos like the gt4294 or 4202 or bigger and their gtx counterparts as well as the large BorgWarner S series turbos. A few still run Turbonetics or Comp but no where near the number of other brands being used.
If you went back in time to the late 2000s and MAYBE 2010 then yea a few people were because billet turbos were still in their infancy and very expensive. It's only in the last 10 years that turbos have advanced leaps and bounds and become affordable. The kind of turbo technology that was reserved only for the most well funded race teams has come down in price severelyto the point where it's available to the masses.
I have one of the first advanced aerodynamics ball bearing turbos that were available only to racing series like Indy and Formula1 years ago. IHI charged teams 25,000 per turbo. The kind of technology they used wasnever available to the public due to the high cost of R&D and production . Technology that today is commonplace.
Remember this. The guidance computer that took the Apollo missions to the moon had the computing power of a modern Ti83 graphing calculator.... And that took people to the moon. Back then that technology was super expensive and had limited access to the public. Today we carry around phones that have more power than the supercomputers of the era... And at a much lower price point.
I agree with everything you are saying. Technology advances daily, I personally have two good friends running the t66 in their cars. Of course a race team is going to have top notch quality in order to be competitive but to your average weekend bracket racer its not an issue.
The crank came when i bought the car, if i dont had it i wont use.
Yes, have Darton mid and MAP Hondata.
I looked R595 too, but I found it was too big. Its for street race use and fun, not for drag racing. I can get 500whp on R545 right ? It wont be better because will have less lag ?
The original poster is from Brazil, he probably wants to go with a Brazilian master power turbo. Looking at the specs of the turbos the r615 or r6164 look like they will meet his goals. With the r615 having a smaller turbine wheel it should have a quicker spool up, is this correct?
As for cams I would go with either skunk2 stage 1 or 2 pro1 or blox b or stage 2 cams.
I have a question about the master power turbos, are they ball bearing or journal bearing?
The original poster is from Brazil, he probably wants to go with a Brazilian master power turbo. Looking at the specs of the turbos the r615 or r6164 look like they will meet his goals. With the r615 having a smaller turbine wheel it should have a quicker spool up, is this correct?
As for cams I would go with either skunk2 stage 1 or 2 pro1 or blox b or stage 2 cams.
I have a question about the master power turbos, are they ball bearing or journal bearing?
Journal bearing, ball bearing in Brazil are real expensive...
No one in FI gets butt hurt over street racing. Everyone with any sort of fast car has done it once in some way.
Master power is a great turbo company. They aren't as well known outside of Brazil as they used to bebut they make a quality product .
I looked R595 too, but I found it was too big. Its for street race use and fun, not for drag racing. I can get 500whp on R545 right ? It wont be better because will have less lag ?
And what about TBI and intake manifold ?
You didn't read my original post. I saw the measurements and matchups of all of the Master Power line, as well as remember using several of them before. I wouldn't have suggested the R595 if I did not mean it.
You didn't read my original post. I saw the measurements and matchups of all of the Master Power line, as well as remember using several of them before. I wouldn't have suggested the R595 if I did not mean it.
More than fine. That's not as much of a concern as making sure you have the correct size injectors and a fuel pump that can work with it. The manifold/throttle body is not the most important thing in your list to worry about your goal and use.
01-23-2015, 08:53 AM
My B16 turbo build looking 500whp
