Power Rev Racing

What is the most HP some of you have made with stock cylinder walls, and how lond did your setup last?

I want to run 15 psi, but not sure if i will have the budget to sleeve the block. Does this sound possible?

SIXTYdashONE

You can do 15psi on a stock motor

Gravy

come on Sean there are plenty of stock b series making 300+ whp. with pistons and rods you can definitely achieve that.

PrecisionH23a

Mase tuned an ls/vtec for 20psi of boost with forged pistons and eagle rods with stock sleeves. It hit 418whp.

I believe jinx hit over 500 with stock sleeves.

SIXTYdashONE

That fella Steve from Evolution made over 520hp on stock sleeves.

Brian Ballard went 10.19 with stock sleeves

DRT used to run stock sleeves back in the day in their 9 second racecar

Many MANY others used to do the same...

PrecisionH23a

Darton block sleeving only runs $775 for me, I never understand why people always try to cut corners? Spend the extra bucks and have that extra insurance on your motor.

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Gravy

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by SIXTYdashONE &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">That fella Steve from Evolution made over 520hp on stock sleeves.

Brian Ballard went 10.19 with stock sleeves

DRT used to run stock sleeves back in the day in their 9 second racecar

Many MANY others used to do the same...</TD></TR></TABLE>

jason went 144mph at nopi dpwn here with brians motor.

boostincoupe

what is it with you people and using PSI as a measure for capability?

15 psi on a T25 is different than 15 psi on a T4/SC61, for example.

buda18

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by PrecisionH23a &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Darton block sleeving only runs $775 for me, I never understand why people always try to cut corners? Spend the extra bucks and have that extra insurance on your motor.</TD></TR></TABLE>

i agree. i'm the type that doesnt cut corners, specially when it comes to my car. but ive started thinking about this sleeve thing. if stock sleeves are capable of the power then why not? its just like people running 300whp on stock motors...yeah rods and pistons would be extra insurance but if stock works i dont see why not. i'm not arguing against sleeves im just trying to get some opinions on this matter. if i can save some money and still have a reliable 450whp motor with rods and pistons..then why not?

SIXTYdashONE

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Gravy &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">jason went 144mph at nopi dpwn here with brians motor.</TD></TR></TABLE>

I think Brian went 146-147 with it Last season.. The motor lasted an ENTIRE season, of brutal beatdowns..

But of course, its called "cutting corners" when its not done the right way , err the HT way

RyanEJ8

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by PrecisionH23a &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Darton block sleeving only runs $775 for me, I never understand why people always try to cut corners? Spend the extra bucks and have that extra insurance on your motor.</TD></TR></TABLE>

$775 is alot of money and more down time. I would rather spend that money and better engine management and tuning.

Gravy

thats true but then you cant expect crazy number to last very long.

RyanEJ8

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Gravy &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">thats true but then you cant expect crazy number to last very long.</TD></TR></TABLE>

A well tuned motor with stock sleeves will last much longer than a poorly tuned motor with aftermarket sleeves.

Bad tuning is what kills motors 99% of the time.

Boosted Chemist

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A well tuned motor with stock sleeves will last much longer than a poorly tuned motor with aftermarket sleeves.

Bad tuning is what kills motors 99% of the time.</TD></TR></TABLE>


dont u wish everone understood this?

0project dc2

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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by PrecisionH23a &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Darton block sleeving only runs $775 for me, I never understand why people always try to cut corners? Spend the extra bucks and have that extra insurance on your motor.</TD></TR></TABLE>

the way i see it. is overtime theres a large chance the sleeves will sink. and then coolant etcc you gotta deal with that.

hypa

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Mad Chemist &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">dont u wish everone understood this? </TD></TR></TABLE>

Not at all.
Idiots who don't understand this keep shops, machininsts, and parts suppliers in business.


I know of a few cars around here that run stock sleeves, and 11 second timeslips. The only problem I see is the above mentioned lack of tuning, or when they run those numbers on stock sleeves, rods and pistons.

PrecisionH23a

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$775 is alot of money and more down time. I would rather spend that money and better engine management and tuning.</TD></TR></TABLE>

Only takes me roughly 1.5-2 weeks to have a block sleeved from the time I receive it. But yes, better EMS and tuning is key.

TurboJesse

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Only takes me roughly 1.5-2 weeks to have a block sleeved from the time I receive it. But yes, better EMS and tuning is key.</TD></TR></TABLE>

The fact that you pay 775 and can have a sleeved block with no problems back in less than 2 weeks means **** to the average person. What about all the people that have waited 1 month plus, spent 1000+ and still had problems?

SlowTeg

Exactly.. after seeing NUMEROUS sleeving problems, it's definetly desirable to just stick w/ stock sleeves if you aren't trying to push too much power.. My only suggestion is to stick w/ the standard bore.. what is it 81.25 i think.. Although there are tons of 81.5mm pistons, I'd prefer a little more meat for the sleeves, even if it is only a slight amount.

-Mike

PrecisionH23a

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The fact that you pay 775 and can have a sleeved block with no problems back in less than 2 weeks means **** to the average person. What about all the people that have waited 1 month plus, spent 1000+ and still had problems? </TD></TR></TABLE>

That's their fault they choose to deal with other companies

Killer_B

i always heard that 500hp is the limit for stock sleeves.

my goal is 10's. i'm almost there and i hope it doesn't require more than 500hp becuz i'm on stock sleeves.

LoSt is BlaCk

weight is an issue...cars with less then 500hp have banged out 10's before...

SIXTYdashONE

I ran 10.92@130 on 390hp

buda18

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by SIXTYdashONE &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I ran 10.92@130 on 390hp</TD></TR></TABLE>
how much did the car weigh?

the sleeve sinking part doesnt bother me at all, because if i were gonna get sleeves i'd definitely go through earl and benson. i'm not saying that they are flawless, but they have been so far.

i think im pretty set on not getting sleeves now and just getting a very nice tune.