MFer screwed me over for injectors! Help me find his h-t sn please
04-17-2004, 06:09 PM
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MFer screwed me over for injectors! Help me find his h-t sn please
I bought some 440cc dsm blacktop injectors off ebay but when they came - it turns out they were just stock gsr injectors with the tabs sanded down. Take a look at these pics for confermation - his is on the left and mine is on the right (I have the stock gsr ones btw).
He said he was on h-t so I was wondering if someone can identify him for me. He's in Levinton PA btw if anyone is feeling violent.
According to ebay, his name is frank roman and his number is (215) 943-3483 (which seems correct because it was busy while he was online and rang as soon as he got off). Feel free to give him a call if you want.
Here's the IM convo btw - some of what he says is so disgustingly rediculous I have to wonder if he even owned these things or stole them.
GregZilber: yo
GregZilber: are you there?
GregZilber: hello?
GregZilber: I need to talk to you
HondaTurbocivic1: whats up
GregZilber: what's up with these injectors you sold me?
GregZilber: they're not dsm 450 cc injectors
HondaTurbocivic1: yes they are
GregZilber: no - they're IDENTICAL to my honda injectors. Right down to the tabs that were sanded down
GregZilber: I put them in my car and they ran 100% like stock
GregZilber: if they were 450cc injectors, my car would barely be able to idle without a fuel controller
HondaTurbocivic1: i ran them on my ls/vec
GregZilber: yea - they're IDENTICAL to gsr injectors
GregZilber: 100%
GregZilber: same thing
HondaTurbocivic1: they came out of talon
GregZilber: it doesn't matter where you think they came out of - the fact is they're gsr injectors, not dsm 450's
GregZilber: which is what I payed for
GregZilber: and which is what I need for my turbo project
GregZilber: so can you either send me legit dsm blacktops, or refund me my money?
HondaTurbocivic1: 450cc
GregZilber: technically, the dsm blacktops are 440cc - but most people think they're 450cc
GregZilber: let me take a picture so we're on the same page
HondaTurbocivic1: look man they came out of a talon and they work fine for me and two other people
GregZilber: how'd you put these injectors in your car?
GregZilber: just injectors - nothing else?
GregZilber: and they worked in your car?
HondaTurbocivic1: get your self a fmu
GregZilber: I know how to set up a turbo system
GregZilber: you said you used the injectors though without problems, so I'm wondering how you did it
HondaTurbocivic1: 41 psi boost
GregZilber: you had 41psi of boost on these injectors?
HondaTurbocivic1: yes
GregZilber: I've heard enough dude
HondaTurbocivic1: for 3 months
GregZilber: stop messing with me and refund me my money
GregZilber: I know what I'm doign and that's not getting by me
GregZilber: not only can none of the sleeved blocks hold 41psi of boost, but dsm blacktops will max out at 10psi of boost depending on the turbo
GregZilber: anything over and you'll blow your engine because you're running lean
HondaTurbocivic1: you sure you no
GregZilber: I know what I'm doign man
GregZilber: even a darton block will have trouble holding 41psi
HondaTurbocivic1: leaner the better
GregZilber: what's the optimat a/f ratio for a turbo engine?
GregZilber: optimal*
HondaTurbocivic1: talk to you later i have to put my kids to sleep
GregZilber: I tihnk not
GregZilber: you need to refund me my money
GregZilber: stop playing this game with me - I'm serious
GregZilber: http://www.we-todd-did-racing....D.jpg
GregZilber: one of those injectors is mine, and the other is yours?
GregZilber: see the difference?
GregZilber: there is none
GregZilber: except for the tabs that were cut off
HondaTurbocivic1: no one is playing any game man to old for that
GregZilber: alright then. You're not talking to someone who buys these parts and doesn't know what he's talking about - then brings them to a mechanic. This is not getting by me man. What you're saying is pure bs, you'd blow your engine way before reaching 41psi, you wouldn't get past 10psi. And on these injectors, a few psi of boost would blow your engine (and mine if I were to use them). So stop this game and refund me my money
GregZilber: http://www.we-todd-did-racing....D.jpg
HondaTurbocivic1: look man what are you work on
GregZilber: what do you mean, I don't understand
HondaTurbocivic1: what motor
GregZilber: b18c1
HondaTurbocivic1: turbo
GregZilber: I have the turbo parts but don't have them on
GregZilber: I was in the process of putting everything on yesterday when I realized these were the wrong injectors
HondaTurbocivic1: how are they wrong
GregZilber: they are gsr injectors basically (or ones like them) they're 240cc, not 440cc
HondaTurbocivic1: dude they are not gsr
GregZilber: mabe not
GregZilber: but they're the same type that a gsr uses
HondaTurbocivic1: no
GregZilber: just like 2g dsms are used in different cars, so are the gsr injectors
GregZilber: have you seen the pics
HondaTurbocivic1: i am a honda tech
GregZilber: what's your name on h-t?
HondaTurbocivic1: try your injector and then let me no if they dont work ok.
GregZilber: last time I checked, dsm's also had a green cover over the needle
GregZilber: I'm letting you know now - they're not working the way 440cc's should
GregZilber: that's why I'm talking to you
GregZilber: I wouldn't if I wasn't 100% sure
GregZilber: what's your screen name on h-t?
HondaTurbocivic1: try man
GregZilber: I tried - that's why I'm talking to you
HondaTurbocivic1: and then we will talk
GregZilber: I just want my money back man
GregZilber: I don't want to take this any further or leave negative feedback - just want what I payed for
GregZilber: if not - then I just want my money back
HondaTurbocivic1: dude by looking at them is not try
GregZilber: yesterday I put them in my car and tryed them out
GregZilber: they ran PERFECTLY
GregZilber: THAT is why they're not 440cc injectors
GregZilber: 440cc injectors would NOT run at all unless I decreased the amount of fuel going to them using a fuel management computer - whihc I did not do
GregZilber: if they were 440 cc injectors, my car would barely be able to idle
HondaTurbocivic1: they came of a turbo set up
GregZilber: I believe you on that - you can use these with an fpr. By raising the fuel pressure, you can get enough fuel for turbo
GregZilber: however I'm not going to be using an fpr. I'm going to be using a fuel controller so I can get the right amount of fuel without changing the fuel pressure
GregZilber: if I wanted to use and fpr - I'd just use my stock injectors. The whole reason I BOUGHT 440cc injectors was so I wouldn't have to do that!!!
HondaTurbocivic1: dude you have 440cc
GregZilber: those are 240cc injectors. that's a fact
GregZilber: you about I send back your injectors and you refund me. Then you can go con someone else
GregZilber: I know what you send me man, I'm not ignorant with cars
HondaTurbocivic1: no con here you just dont no wat you are do
GregZilber: what don't I want? I want and bought the 440 cc injectors
GregZilber: that's not what you send me
GregZilber: did you look at the pictures?
GregZilber: can you give me a response to that? did you see the pictures?
HondaTurbocivic1: got to go we will talk later
GregZilber: there's really nothing further to talk about. Refund me my money
GregZilber: if you thought these were 440cc injectors, you were mistaken. You don't know what your talking about at all - which shows by what you told me previously. Mabe someone just gave you some misinformation - I don't care what YOU THOUGHT man. I only care about what I payed money for - and you owe me a refund
HondaTurbocivic1: dude i am no playing with you
GregZilber: yes you are
HondaTurbocivic1: pease
GregZilber: are you going to give me a refund, yes or no?
HondaTurbocivic1: dude this not pep boys
GregZilber: hells no it's not. No one would by the 240 injectors - they're useless for aftermarket purposes. So you tried to pass them off as dsm blacktops. Well congrads - I took the bait. Here's the way it works - you may thing you can **** someone over because it's the "internet" but you're wrong. This is real life buddy and if you try to screw someone over, don't expect them to sit by and do nothing
GregZilber: so what's it going to be? Are you going to refund me my money, or are you going to keep playing innocent?
GregZilber: well? yes or no answer
He said he was on h-t so I was wondering if someone can identify him for me. He's in Levinton PA btw if anyone is feeling violent.
According to ebay, his name is frank roman and his number is (215) 943-3483 (which seems correct because it was busy while he was online and rang as soon as he got off). Feel free to give him a call if you want.
Here's the IM convo btw - some of what he says is so disgustingly rediculous I have to wonder if he even owned these things or stole them.
GregZilber: yo
GregZilber: are you there?
GregZilber: hello?
GregZilber: I need to talk to you
HondaTurbocivic1: whats up
GregZilber: what's up with these injectors you sold me?
GregZilber: they're not dsm 450 cc injectors
HondaTurbocivic1: yes they are
GregZilber: no - they're IDENTICAL to my honda injectors. Right down to the tabs that were sanded down
GregZilber: I put them in my car and they ran 100% like stock
GregZilber: if they were 450cc injectors, my car would barely be able to idle without a fuel controller
HondaTurbocivic1: i ran them on my ls/vec
GregZilber: yea - they're IDENTICAL to gsr injectors
GregZilber: 100%
GregZilber: same thing
HondaTurbocivic1: they came out of talon
GregZilber: it doesn't matter where you think they came out of - the fact is they're gsr injectors, not dsm 450's
GregZilber: which is what I payed for
GregZilber: and which is what I need for my turbo project
GregZilber: so can you either send me legit dsm blacktops, or refund me my money?
HondaTurbocivic1: 450cc
GregZilber: technically, the dsm blacktops are 440cc - but most people think they're 450cc
GregZilber: let me take a picture so we're on the same page
HondaTurbocivic1: look man they came out of a talon and they work fine for me and two other people
GregZilber: how'd you put these injectors in your car?
GregZilber: just injectors - nothing else?
GregZilber: and they worked in your car?
HondaTurbocivic1: get your self a fmu
GregZilber: I know how to set up a turbo system
GregZilber: you said you used the injectors though without problems, so I'm wondering how you did it
HondaTurbocivic1: 41 psi boost
GregZilber: you had 41psi of boost on these injectors?
HondaTurbocivic1: yes
GregZilber: I've heard enough dude
HondaTurbocivic1: for 3 months
GregZilber: stop messing with me and refund me my money
GregZilber: I know what I'm doign and that's not getting by me
GregZilber: not only can none of the sleeved blocks hold 41psi of boost, but dsm blacktops will max out at 10psi of boost depending on the turbo
GregZilber: anything over and you'll blow your engine because you're running lean
HondaTurbocivic1: you sure you no
GregZilber: I know what I'm doign man
GregZilber: even a darton block will have trouble holding 41psi
HondaTurbocivic1: leaner the better
GregZilber: what's the optimat a/f ratio for a turbo engine?
GregZilber: optimal*
HondaTurbocivic1: talk to you later i have to put my kids to sleep
GregZilber: I tihnk not
GregZilber: you need to refund me my money
GregZilber: stop playing this game with me - I'm serious
GregZilber: http://www.we-todd-did-racing....D.jpg
GregZilber: one of those injectors is mine, and the other is yours?
GregZilber: see the difference?
GregZilber: there is none
GregZilber: except for the tabs that were cut off
HondaTurbocivic1: no one is playing any game man to old for that
GregZilber: alright then. You're not talking to someone who buys these parts and doesn't know what he's talking about - then brings them to a mechanic. This is not getting by me man. What you're saying is pure bs, you'd blow your engine way before reaching 41psi, you wouldn't get past 10psi. And on these injectors, a few psi of boost would blow your engine (and mine if I were to use them). So stop this game and refund me my money
GregZilber: http://www.we-todd-did-racing....D.jpg
HondaTurbocivic1: look man what are you work on
GregZilber: what do you mean, I don't understand
HondaTurbocivic1: what motor
GregZilber: b18c1
HondaTurbocivic1: turbo
GregZilber: I have the turbo parts but don't have them on
GregZilber: I was in the process of putting everything on yesterday when I realized these were the wrong injectors
HondaTurbocivic1: how are they wrong
GregZilber: they are gsr injectors basically (or ones like them) they're 240cc, not 440cc
HondaTurbocivic1: dude they are not gsr
GregZilber: mabe not
GregZilber: but they're the same type that a gsr uses
HondaTurbocivic1: no
GregZilber: just like 2g dsms are used in different cars, so are the gsr injectors
GregZilber: have you seen the pics
HondaTurbocivic1: i am a honda tech
GregZilber: what's your name on h-t?
HondaTurbocivic1: try your injector and then let me no if they dont work ok.
GregZilber: last time I checked, dsm's also had a green cover over the needle
GregZilber: I'm letting you know now - they're not working the way 440cc's should
GregZilber: that's why I'm talking to you
GregZilber: I wouldn't if I wasn't 100% sure
GregZilber: what's your screen name on h-t?
HondaTurbocivic1: try man
GregZilber: I tried - that's why I'm talking to you
HondaTurbocivic1: and then we will talk
GregZilber: I just want my money back man
GregZilber: I don't want to take this any further or leave negative feedback - just want what I payed for
GregZilber: if not - then I just want my money back
HondaTurbocivic1: dude by looking at them is not try
GregZilber: yesterday I put them in my car and tryed them out
GregZilber: they ran PERFECTLY
GregZilber: THAT is why they're not 440cc injectors
GregZilber: 440cc injectors would NOT run at all unless I decreased the amount of fuel going to them using a fuel management computer - whihc I did not do
GregZilber: if they were 440 cc injectors, my car would barely be able to idle
HondaTurbocivic1: they came of a turbo set up
GregZilber: I believe you on that - you can use these with an fpr. By raising the fuel pressure, you can get enough fuel for turbo
GregZilber: however I'm not going to be using an fpr. I'm going to be using a fuel controller so I can get the right amount of fuel without changing the fuel pressure
GregZilber: if I wanted to use and fpr - I'd just use my stock injectors. The whole reason I BOUGHT 440cc injectors was so I wouldn't have to do that!!!
HondaTurbocivic1: dude you have 440cc
GregZilber: those are 240cc injectors. that's a fact
GregZilber: you about I send back your injectors and you refund me. Then you can go con someone else
GregZilber: I know what you send me man, I'm not ignorant with cars
HondaTurbocivic1: no con here you just dont no wat you are do
GregZilber: what don't I want? I want and bought the 440 cc injectors
GregZilber: that's not what you send me
GregZilber: did you look at the pictures?
GregZilber: can you give me a response to that? did you see the pictures?
HondaTurbocivic1: got to go we will talk later
GregZilber: there's really nothing further to talk about. Refund me my money
GregZilber: if you thought these were 440cc injectors, you were mistaken. You don't know what your talking about at all - which shows by what you told me previously. Mabe someone just gave you some misinformation - I don't care what YOU THOUGHT man. I only care about what I payed money for - and you owe me a refund
HondaTurbocivic1: dude i am no playing with you
GregZilber: yes you are
HondaTurbocivic1: pease
GregZilber: are you going to give me a refund, yes or no?
HondaTurbocivic1: dude this not pep boys
GregZilber: hells no it's not. No one would by the 240 injectors - they're useless for aftermarket purposes. So you tried to pass them off as dsm blacktops. Well congrads - I took the bait. Here's the way it works - you may thing you can **** someone over because it's the "internet" but you're wrong. This is real life buddy and if you try to screw someone over, don't expect them to sit by and do nothing
GregZilber: so what's it going to be? Are you going to refund me my money, or are you going to keep playing innocent?
GregZilber: well? yes or no answer
04-17-2004, 06:18 PM
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Re: MFer screwed me over for injectors! Help me find his h-t sn please (FragSyndrome)
To me, this guy is completely retarded.......If this was done on ebay, I would call ebay, and/or leave negative feedback. If it was done on H-T I would spread his name around as a Scammer.
to SCAMMERS.
SCAMMERS ARE THE DEVIL!!!!!!!
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to SCAMMERS.SCAMMERS ARE THE DEVIL!!!!!!!
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04-17-2004, 09:25 PM
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Re: MFer screwed me over for injectors! Help me find his h-t sn please (FragSyndrome)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by FragSyndrome »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
GregZilber: I know how to set up a turbo system
GregZilber: I know what I'm doign and that's not getting by me
GregZilber: not only can none of the sleeved blocks hold 41psi of boost, but dsm blacktops will max out at 10psi of boost depending on the turbo
GregZilber: anything over and you'll blow your engine because you're running lean
GregZilber: I know what I'm doign man
GregZilber: even a darton block will have trouble holding 41psi
GregZilber: alright then. You're not talking to someone who buys these parts and doesn't know what he's talking about - then brings them to a mechanic. This is not getting by me man. What you're saying is pure bs, you'd blow your engine way before reaching 41psi, you wouldn't get past 10psi. And on these injectors, a few psi of boost would blow your engine (and mine if I were to use them). So stop this game and refund me my money
GregZilber: I know what you send me man, I'm not ignorant with cars
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How many times are you going to tell this guy what an expert you are...nt...?
Sucks man...did you get pictures before you bought them? Did you pay with a credit card? Try disputing it with the CC company.
GregZilber: I know how to set up a turbo system
GregZilber: I know what I'm doign and that's not getting by me
GregZilber: not only can none of the sleeved blocks hold 41psi of boost, but dsm blacktops will max out at 10psi of boost depending on the turbo
GregZilber: anything over and you'll blow your engine because you're running lean
GregZilber: I know what I'm doign man
GregZilber: even a darton block will have trouble holding 41psi
GregZilber: alright then. You're not talking to someone who buys these parts and doesn't know what he's talking about - then brings them to a mechanic. This is not getting by me man. What you're saying is pure bs, you'd blow your engine way before reaching 41psi, you wouldn't get past 10psi. And on these injectors, a few psi of boost would blow your engine (and mine if I were to use them). So stop this game and refund me my money
GregZilber: I know what you send me man, I'm not ignorant with cars
</TD></TR></TABLE>
How many times are you going to tell this guy what an expert you are...nt...?
Sucks man...did you get pictures before you bought them? Did you pay with a credit card? Try disputing it with the CC company.
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04-17-2004, 09:52 PM
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lol, I just got pissed that he took me for an idiot 
I'll check with the cc company on that
I'll check with the cc company on that
04-17-2004, 10:45 PM
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Re: MFer screwed me over for injectors! Help me find his h-t sn please (FragSyndrome)
He says he is A Honda Tech, not that he is ON honda-tech.
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exactly what I was thinking
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exactly what I was thinking
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haha, that guy was such a ******* moron! spread his name all over h-t. someone is sure to know him. i hate scammers
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Re: MFer screwed me over for injectors! Help me find his h-t sn please (blueturbo4door)
Call the local authorites in his area. Tell them his name, address, and all other personal info and then fax them all the incriminating evidence you have, including that conversation. They should be able to help you better then any average joe.
Good luck getting your money back. Scammers love the ****.
Good luck getting your money back. Scammers love the ****.
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Re: MFer screwed me over for injectors! Help me find his h-t sn please (FragSyndrome)
Man..that's stupid of him. He's not too far from where I am...how much did you pay for them?
List his addy too. Probably some 13 yr/old kid.
List his addy too. Probably some 13 yr/old kid.
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