CarAudioPro

just wanted to know if you think it should be putting down higher numbers, or is it where its suppose to be.

SETUP
J-spec b16
wiseco 9.1-1 pistons
eagle rods
skunk 2 intake mani
700cc injectors
walbro fuel pump
garret CT26 turbo (non-ballbearing)
custom charge piping
greddy blow off valve
tail wastegate
2.5in downpipe
2.5in cat
2.5in cat back
ROMtune computer
14psi boost
front mount intercooler

Finally got the motor broken in and got it dyno tuned. 267hp, and 180lb-ft-tq. they were saying its kinda alot of tq for a b16. what do you all think. i would take pics but the motor has a gay blue "type R" valve cover. and i haven't had time to change it, so once i do i will get pics.
p.s. dunno if it matters but its got a GSR tranny on it, and its in a 90' crx.

UPDATE
i called to get specs on everything to make sure i was correct. i have 9.1to1 comp pistons. an the turbo is a garrett CT26. its going to get rebuilt though, the oil seal in the turbo is leaking a lil, so there gonna fix it.

Modified by CarAudioPro at 4:00 AM 11/24/2005


Modified by CarAudioPro at 7:15 PM 11/29/2005

redboost10

hey man, who did you have tune the car? if you dont mind me asking

FERIOkid

bad times sorry man

ive seen 11psi hit 320 on a mild built b16

Adi Radoncic

Your numbers aren't bad considering you have a cat/full exhaust on the car still and your compression being in the 8's.. Do you know what the specs on the turbo are?

CarAudioPro

no all i know is its a garret and its conventional bearing. i think i might upgrade to a different computer system, to get more adjustability.

Adi Radoncic

I'm not familiar with the ems your using right now but can you alter the timing maps with it? I think if your looking for more power you would probably be better off getting a bigger turbo, but your gona sacrafice spool time... Allthou I don't know if you lookin for more power or not.

CarAudioPro

they said when they were tuning it the turbo could do up to 21psi. but the b16 sleeves would be compromised. he said i could run 17psi and be ok, but i need a 3-bar map sensor to go any higher. so for now 14 is it

Adi Radoncic

You can push any turbo to 21psi but the real question is when is that turbo going to start blowing hot air in and loosing efficiency. Thats why I mensioned a bigger turbo, ultimately you could be running the same amount of boost but making more power.

CarAudioPro

i dunno if it will fit. its 1/4in from the fan housing now. its stuffed in there. and i think they meant that it will do 21psi safely, then it starts to crap out.

f1 vtec

267whp on 14psi (just under 1bar boost) sounds a little low to me, i think it should be around 300whp an that kind of boost, you should go with a 3" downpipe and exhaust and ditch the cat and then see how much you can put down

CarAudioPro

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4rc-fed

eh, 3whp short of 270 isn't horrible for the setup listed. It's clear the 2.5in dp > cat > 2.5in exhaust is holding you back. I wouldn't be surprised to see you go 3in from turbo back and see another 10+ whp.

Also, depending on how conservatively the motor is tuned there could be power to be made there....

Bottom line... Don't get disapointed just yet. There are still simple things that could put you closer to 300whp.

Hybrid96EK

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by CarAudioPro &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">they said when they were tuning it the turbo could do up to 21psi. but the b16 sleeves would be compromised. he said i could run 17psi and be ok, but i need a 3-bar map sensor to go any higher. so for now 14 is it</TD></TR></TABLE>

Interesting... The stock map sensor is only good to 11psi...

CarAudioPro

yea, they said might go out now, the map sensor, but it runs good. its plenty fast for the street for now, till i get used to it. but i really need to do the suspension and tires.

racinskittle

Seems kinda low. 180 ft/lbs isn't really a lot either? It kinda sounds like those guys were blowing air up your ***.

scttydb411

look at it this way:
stock b16=135ish whp w/ stock compression?
8ish:1 compression=125ish whp?
14psi=140ish+/- whp
2.5" exh/cat/dp
sounds decent.

can there be more gotten? possibly. add a 2.5bar or 3bar map, 3" exh w/o cat and play w/ timing and you'll def get more.

f1 vtec

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by scttydb411 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">look at it this way:
stock b16=135ish whp w/ stock compression?
8ish:1 compression=125ish whp?
14psi=140ish+/- whp
2.5" exh/cat/dp
sounds decent.

can there be more gotten? possibly. add a 2.5bar or 3bar map, 3" exh w/o cat and play w/ timing and you'll def get more.</TD></TR></TABLE>

huh? if im right are u talking about a bone stock b16a2? how do u work out it being 135whp? they come with 160whp straight from honda, is there something i am missing here?

Hybrid96EK

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by f1 vtec &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

huh? if im right are u talking about a bone stock b16a2? how do u work out it being 135whp? they come with 160whp straight from honda, is there something i am missing here? </TD></TR></TABLE>

They come with 160 CRANK horsepower, not wheel horsepower. Come on.

f1 vtec

ooops sorry i meant 160 crank horse power, i didnt pay attention that he was talking about power to the wheels, my fault.

VTC_CiViC

Why such a low CR? Seems like the motor would've been built to see a substantial amount of boost, but then it wears a run of the mill T3/T4?

093turbo16

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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by VTC_CiViC &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Why such a low CR? Seems like the motor would've been built to see a substantial amount of boost, but then it wears a run of the mill T3/T4? </TD></TR></TABLE>


I agree with that, you are going ot have to push out some boost to make any power with that low of a C/R in a B16. Get a motorolla 2.5bar map sensor if your tuner doesn't want to go over 21 psi.

0bd1_Kanobe

Comp and turbo seems to be why your power might be low compared to other B16a's. I would have done a 9.2.1 pistons with a gt30R on 14psi would have yield atleast 330whp, but anyway I think if you mill you head and get some comp out of it TQ numbers might jump up!!!!!

JDMisGOOD

Numbers seem quite low. What are the specs of the turbo?

7k rdlne

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by JDMisGOOD &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Numbers seem quite low. What are the specs of the turbo? </TD></TR></TABLE>

true, i made more than that on less bost with a stock b16 on a vafc hack

287 whp 203tq on 12psi

CarAudioPro

UPDATE
i called to get specs on everything to make sure i was correct. i have 9.1to1 comp pistons. an the turbo is a garrett CT26. its going to get rebuilt though, the oil seal in the turbo is leaking a lil, so there gonna fix it.