platinum00

Installed my Full-Race traction bar today. I knew this was going to require me to redo my intercooler piping so I got some aluminum bends as well.

This is what I came up with.

90 off the turbo
2 --> 2.5 transition
Straight Pipe "**** eyed" into the U turn.

It’s for sure going to fit, but will the piping that is "**** eyed" after the transition have any effect on performance. From a flow perspective I could see where it might.

If this will work let me know so I can weld these up

notice how the piping does not butt up against the 90 very well


coupler also only has about a 1/10 of and inch before it hits the traction bar. will this rub during engine movement or pipe expansion under heat


platinum.

igo4bmx

i think that will definately rub...
can you clock the turbo back more the other way?

platinum00

other way being toward the front of the car? i think i can clock it both ways a bit more.

what about the angle of the piping?

platinum.

splitime

Would your setup allow something like this? Clocking it to face up and using nice mandrel bends for flow instead of 90s.



I did the similar routing format just recently, inspired by the above pic snagged from Tony1's thread in the fab forum. My car is filthy and no where near as pretty though... so you get to see his work

We used normal 180deg mandrel bent aluminized steel btw, one full 90 off housing and it fit quite well on my setup right through where the AC comp would be. Then ~half of a 180 to go from the bottom of that out to our modified fmic (inlets cutoff and half a 180 welded to it so the "inlet" faced backwards).

Full-Race Javier

might want to try welding an adapter on the compressor housing coverting it to 2.5 in. right at the oulet. then run a 2.5 in. 90 deg coupler to the charge pipe. u get rid of a coupler/transition and 2 clamps this way. you also might be able to clock the compressor more towards the front of the car (if you cant go towards the rear) then add an S shaped bend to connect the compressor to the charge pipe.

or you could make it simple and just use a BD FMIC

platinum00

yes i was thinking of that, but dont really like the way it looks. sorry just me

if i cant find another alternative i will end up running it that way though

i just re-measured the gap between the coupler and the traction bar after messing with the coupler a bit. it's now about 1/4 inch away from it. still to close i think

platinum.

platinum00

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Full-Race Javier &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">might want to try welding an adapter on the compressor housing coverting it to 2.5 in. right at the oulet. then run a 2.5 in. 90 deg coupler to the charge pipe. u get rid of a coupler/transition and 2 clamps this way. you also might be able to clock the compressor more towards the front of the car (if you cant go towards the rear) then add an S shaped bend to connect the compressor to the charge pipe.
or you could make it simple and just use a BD FMIC </TD></TR></TABLE>


back door intercooler would be the best idea. but i just bought this one.

do you have a donor, one i can borrow or a "trade-up" policy

i could try welding the 90 and the transition in, but what if it still does not work. i just welded my turbo for no reason.

platinum.

B18C1CYA

I would clock the turbo back towards the motor and weld the elbow to it , but cut some of the stub on the turbo off to gain some room, and then you should have the room you need ,

splitime

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by platinum00 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">yes i was thinking of that, but dont really like the way it looks. sorry just me
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Heh, I think the idea that it flows makes it look sexy


Modified by splitime at 11:53 PM 1/17/2006

platinum00

yea flowing is a good thing...

so the 90 of the turbo's are not good. is there any proof to that.

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by B18C1CYA &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I would clock the turbo back towards the motor and weld the elbow to it , but cut some of the stub on the turbo off to gain some room, and then you should have the room you need , </TD></TR></TABLE>

im for sure going to mess around with the clocking and see what i can come up with.

platinum.

bigTom

i would trim the elbow and the turbo then weld it together... just cut an inch or 2 off the straight sections of each... ull have more than enough room then...

B18C1CYA

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by bigTom &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">i would trim the elbow and the turbo then weld it together... just cut an inch or 2 off the straight sections of each... ull have more than enough room then... </TD></TR></TABLE>

platinum00

i should be able to remove the compressor housing without taking the turbo off the manifold right?

does the 90 elbow hurt the flow of the turbo?

platinum.

bigTom

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by platinum00 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">i should be able to remove the compressor housing without taking the turbo off the manifold right?

does the 90 elbow hurt the flow of the turbo?

platinum.</TD></TR></TABLE>

yes and do you really have another easier option?

splitime

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by bigTom &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">yes and do you really have another easier option?</TD></TR></TABLE>

Yah... he could rotate the housing up and run nice mandrel bends

I'm just teasing

Full-Race Geoff

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this picture shows why our manifolds, backdoor intercoolers, downpipes, and traction bars are designed to work together. If you had our manifold and intercooler on there, there would be no charge piping at all, just the turbo connecting directly to the back of the intercooler. no traction bar interference.

a 90 directly at the compressor outlet followed by couplers, charge pipies, bends some straight and another coupler will have more pressure drops/losses than a backdoor setup

Blackack26

http://www.atpturbo.com/Mercha...-90EL

For the tightest bend

Full-Race Geoff

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For the tightest bend</TD></TR></TABLE>

the tighter it is, the worse it flows...

platinum00

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Full-Race Geoff &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

the tighter it is, the worse it flows...</TD></TR></TABLE>

So the 90 is a bad idea.

I understand that your products are meant to work together, but not everyone can afford your superior products.

Can you recommend a setup without using the rest of your products.

Thank
platinum

platinum00

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Blackack26 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">http://www.atpturbo.com/Mercha...-90EL

For the tightest bend</TD></TR></TABLE>

im using this bend

http://www.atpturbo.com/Mercha...e=PPB

platinum.

platinum00

what if i clock it like i was doing a back door and then do some sort of "S" shape back to the intercooler.

would this hurt performance at all

platinum.

Full-Race Geoff

what are the dimensions of your IC core?

platinum00

25 wide X 7.75 tall X 2.75 deep

30 from outside of end tank to outside of end tank X 8.5 tall X 3.125 at the thickest


platinum

Full-Race Geoff

honestly, i would sell it and get a core that worked better for a backdoor setup... im sure you can find one used

platinum00

yea i just went out and messed with it a bit.

really the only soultion i have is the backdoor or make the 90 work.

i even tried running it from the top, but it just does not have enough room for that.

i order a 2.5 inch 90 instead of a 2 inch. if i can get that to fit by clocking the turbo i will do that.

if not i will sell and order a backdoor... also if i use the 90 and dont hit get the whp i want i will be selling as well.

thanks for the help

platinum.