How can I lean out my tuned emanage? running rich at higher elevation (dyno numbers too)
02-20-2006, 08:22 PM
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How can I lean out my tuned emanage? running rich at higher elevation (dyno numbers too)
I just had my stock SOHC with a greddy kit (with a garret turbo) tuned at 2,500ft (Phoenix) with the emanage to run 11.5:1 on a dyno.
Car made 177 whp and 166 wtq @ 8psi.
I didn't do any of the tuning and do not have access or knowledge to tune the emanage myself.
(my first turbo project)
I am now @ 7,000ft and the car is falling on its face under full boost and full throttle. I am guessing it is running too rich. It runs fine at 3/4 throttle.
Without messing with the emanage:
what's the best way to lean it out a little while I'm up here? (for a few months at least)
will an adjustable FPR do the trick?
Open to all suggestions.
Thx!
Car made 177 whp and 166 wtq @ 8psi.
I didn't do any of the tuning and do not have access or knowledge to tune the emanage myself.
(my first turbo project)I am now @ 7,000ft and the car is falling on its face under full boost and full throttle. I am guessing it is running too rich. It runs fine at 3/4 throttle.
Without messing with the emanage:
what's the best way to lean it out a little while I'm up here? (for a few months at least)
will an adjustable FPR do the trick?
Open to all suggestions.
Thx!
02-20-2006, 08:46 PM
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Re: How can I lean out my tuned emanage? running rich at higher elevation (brookliner7)
no you need a retune, get the support tool for around 100 bux and just lean out the values a little.
02-20-2006, 08:47 PM
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Re: How can I lean out my tuned emanage? running rich at higher elevation (brookliner7)
get the emanage support tool program and a wideband if you want to mess with the fuel. An adjustable fpr will not help if you are only going rich up top.
02-20-2006, 09:40 PM
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Re: How can I lean out my tuned emanage? running rich at higher elevation (brookliner7)
Wouldn't it make sense to simply increase the boost about 3-4psi (or whatever the formula for elevation is) to add more air?
02-21-2006, 05:55 AM
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Re: How can I lean out my tuned emanage? running rich at higher elevation (Hybrid93Eg)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by brookliner7 »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I just had my stock SOHC with a greddy kit (with a garret turbo) tuned at 2,500ft (Phoenix) with the emanage to run 11.5:1 on a dyno.
Car made 177 whp and 166 wtq @ 8psi.
I didn't do any of the tuning and do not have access or knowledge to tune the emanage myself. (my first turbo project)
I am now @ 7,000ft and the car is falling on its face under full boost and full throttle. I am guessing it is running too rich. It runs fine at 3/4 throttle.
Without messing with the emanage:
what's the best way to lean it out a little while I'm up here? (for a few months at least)
will an adjustable FPR do the trick?
Open to all suggestions.
Thx!</TD></TR></TABLE> i sort of have the same problem I've been driving my sohc greddy kit for about 3 weeks now. started out great at stock boost now i noticed when im in full throttle its wants to not really boost(but quage shows i am). but when i do a 3/4 throttle it boost fine as usual i cant figure it out plus i dont have excess to a wideband neither.
Car made 177 whp and 166 wtq @ 8psi.
I didn't do any of the tuning and do not have access or knowledge to tune the emanage myself. (my first turbo project)
I am now @ 7,000ft and the car is falling on its face under full boost and full throttle. I am guessing it is running too rich. It runs fine at 3/4 throttle.
Without messing with the emanage:
what's the best way to lean it out a little while I'm up here? (for a few months at least)
will an adjustable FPR do the trick?
Open to all suggestions.
Thx!</TD></TR></TABLE> i sort of have the same problem I've been driving my sohc greddy kit for about 3 weeks now. started out great at stock boost now i noticed when im in full throttle its wants to not really boost(but quage shows i am). but when i do a 3/4 throttle it boost fine as usual i cant figure it out plus i dont have excess to a wideband neither.
02-21-2006, 10:30 AM
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Re: How can I lean out my tuned emanage? running rich at higher elevation (Hybrid93Eg)
just up the boost?
will this work? I've heard that it doesn't matter what boost level you are running at before. I could be wrong.
sounds good to me!
I'll give it w whirl!
will this work? I've heard that it doesn't matter what boost level you are running at before. I could be wrong.
sounds good to me!
I'll give it w whirl!
02-21-2006, 01:36 PM
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Re: How can I lean out my tuned emanage? running rich at higher elevation (brookliner7)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by brookliner7 »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">just up the boost?
will this work? I've heard that it doesn't matter what boost level you are running at before. I could be wrong.
sounds good to me!
I'll give it w whirl!</TD></TR></TABLE>
no upping the boost should not lean it out. Your ecu works on rpm vs. map pressure. The ve curve made by your fuel maps is relatively similar in shape at each map pressure. More than likely your afr's will not change much by upping the boost. Get the support tool and get a wideband so you dont blow your **** up.
will this work? I've heard that it doesn't matter what boost level you are running at before. I could be wrong.
sounds good to me!
I'll give it w whirl!
</TD></TR></TABLE>no upping the boost should not lean it out. Your ecu works on rpm vs. map pressure. The ve curve made by your fuel maps is relatively similar in shape at each map pressure. More than likely your afr's will not change much by upping the boost. Get the support tool and get a wideband so you dont blow your **** up.
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Re: (brookliner7)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by brookliner7 »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">would an FMU do anything?</TD></TR></TABLE>
have you not been reading?
YOU ARE RICH, YOU WANT TO LEAN IT OUT, RIGHT?!
have you not been reading?
YOU ARE RICH, YOU WANT TO LEAN IT OUT, RIGHT?!
02-21-2006, 03:54 PM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by hybrdthry911 »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">does emanage work on tps based or map sensor based, when i was looking through my friends it looks like its tps bases</TD></TR></TABLE>
I can assure you its not TPS based.
I can assure you its not TPS based.
02-21-2006, 05:18 PM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Weq »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">everyone is missing a BIG point here.. he THINKS he is running rich.
Im guessing his ignition is breaking up cause his using stock plugs or a big gap. put some bkr7e-11's and gap em at .032"-.030"</TD></TR></TABLE>
I am using one step colder NGK plugs that are pre-gapped with NGK wires.
Like I said, the car was tuned to 11.5:1 and runs perfect at 2,500ft with full boost and WOT.
I have never used an FMU so I am unfamiliar with what they do. obviously, they can only richen you AFR. my bad.
I am going to order a wideband in the next few days. Any recommendations?
I have a in dash gauge pod with an empty spot just ready for one.
Is the AEM any good?
Im guessing his ignition is breaking up cause his using stock plugs or a big gap. put some bkr7e-11's and gap em at .032"-.030"</TD></TR></TABLE>
I am using one step colder NGK plugs that are pre-gapped with NGK wires.
Like I said, the car was tuned to 11.5:1 and runs perfect at 2,500ft with full boost and WOT.
I have never used an FMU so I am unfamiliar with what they do. obviously, they can only richen you AFR. my bad.
I am going to order a wideband in the next few days. Any recommendations?
I have a in dash gauge pod with an empty spot just ready for one.
Is the AEM any good?
02-21-2006, 07:46 PM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Hybrid93Eg »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I can assure you its not TPS based.</TD></TR></TABLE>
wrong it is TPS based. It works just like an afc. You adjust the map signal to alter fuel on rpm vs. tps based maps. Its a pain in the *** to work with. The difference from the afc is that there are many tps points to tune at where with an afc there is just hi and lo tps position.
wrong it is TPS based. It works just like an afc. You adjust the map signal to alter fuel on rpm vs. tps based maps. Its a pain in the *** to work with. The difference from the afc is that there are many tps points to tune at where with an afc there is just hi and lo tps position.
02-21-2006, 08:45 PM
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Re: (mike93boost)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by mike93boost »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">so you didnt gap the plugs to 0.030?? there's your problem, youre using the "pre-gap"</TD></TR></TABLE>
how come it works fine in Phx then?
how come it works fine in Phx then?
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Re: (mike93boost)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by mike93boost »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">just gap them to .030"
right now youre at about 0.44"</TD></TR></TABLE>
thx, appreciate it. I'll do it tomorrow.
right now youre at about 0.44"</TD></TR></TABLE>
thx, appreciate it. I'll do it tomorrow.
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Re: (brookliner7)
you probably need new plugs... don't regap your old ones, just go get 4 new $1.99 NGK's and gap them between .25 ~ .30. This is the most common cause of what you are describing
02-22-2006, 04:07 AM
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bkr7e-11's are impossible to get in my area. Anyone in MD know of someone that actually has these instock.
Oh yeah, good choice with the decision to buy a wideband. you can now see what changes you are going to make will do to the A/F, and thus you can tune appropriately.
Oh yeah, good choice with the decision to buy a wideband. you can now see what changes you are going to make will do to the A/F, and thus you can tune appropriately.
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by bluemax189 »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">bkr7e-11's are impossible to get in my area. Anyone in MD know of someone that actually has these instock.
Oh yeah, good choice with the decision to buy a wideband. you can now see what changes you are going to make will do to the A/F, and thus you can tune appropriately.</TD></TR></TABLE>
any shop can order them... it only takes 2-3 days to get them
Oh yeah, good choice with the decision to buy a wideband. you can now see what changes you are going to make will do to the A/F, and thus you can tune appropriately.</TD></TR></TABLE>
any shop can order them... it only takes 2-3 days to get them
02-22-2006, 06:15 AM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by used2baracer »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">you probably need new plugs... don't regap your old ones, just go get 4 new $1.99 NGK's and gap them between .25 ~ .30. This is the most common cause of what you are describing </TD></TR></TABLE>
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by brookliner7 »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I am using one step colder NGK plugs that are pre-gapped with NGK wires.
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</TD></TR></TABLE><TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by brookliner7 »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I am using one step colder NGK plugs that are pre-gapped with NGK wires.
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