spoonhatchblack

I currently have Hondata S200B w/3-Step (Not Hooked up)
Referring to http://www.Hondata.com site they have a test video unit on a EG & Does not impress me much..the 3-step does not sound aggressive compared to AEM, Haltech, MSD EMS...

My Q's is how is the anti-lag between the S200 vs. S300 @the same boost levels?
Also which one of the 2-units have the more aggressive anti-lag (such as the drag cars) ?

Chime in People.

Turbo-charged

the s200 is just your basic 2 step that sounds like a msd 6al for the most part. not aggressive in any way shape or form.

s300 on the other hand, does exactly what your looking for. i could get my s372 to make 19psi and shoot 4 foot flames and break your ear drums. i actually ended up backing it all down.

mrbsponge

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Turbo-charged &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">the s200 is just your basic 2 step that sounds like a msd 6al for the most part. not aggressive in any way shape or form.

s300 on the other hand, does exactly what your looking for. i could get my s372 to make 19psi and shoot 4 foot flames and break your ear drums. i actually ended up backing it all down.</TD></TR></TABLE>

The s200 is a fuel cut based 2 step and the s300 is either a fuel or ignition or both and has the ability to add fuel and remove timing thus building boost in a "safer" way then the 200 or an older msd6 box, the digital 6 and higher all have timing adjustments.

Mr.Burner

yes s200 is a fuel cut.

my s200 and set up will make 9psi on the 2step...pretty good i guess. it gets the job done.

spoonhatchblack

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The s200 is a fuel cut based 2 step and the s300 is either a fuel or ignition or both and has the ability to add fuel and remove timing thus building boost in a "safer" way then the 200 or an older msd6 box, the digital 6 and higher all have timing adjustments.

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When you mean "safer".
Would it still do its job using the S200B? As in be able to load boost like a S300?
or would it be practical to get the S300 just for a 3-Step?

dreadcivicturbo

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Turbo-charged &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">the s200 is just your basic 2 step that sounds like a msd 6al for the most part. not aggressive in any way shape or form.

s300 on the other hand, does exactly what your looking for. i could get my s372 to make 19psi and shoot 4 foot flames and break your ear drums. i actually ended up backing it all down.</TD></TR></TABLE>

agreed, s300 antilag sounds mean as hell..

Turbo-charged

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When you mean "safer".
Would it still do its job using the S200B? As in be able to load boost like a S300?
or would it be practical to get the S300 just for a 3-Step?</TD></TR></TABLE>


if your in the position to be wanting or needing an anti-lag ---- i have very very very strong feelings that it is 210% worth it to upgrade to a S300.

mrbsponge

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When you mean "safer".
Would it still do its job using the S200B? As in be able to load boost like a S300?
or would it be practical to get the S300 just for a 3-Step?</TD></TR></TABLE>


on a fuel cut 2 step you obviously remove the fuel for the interruption, well look at your wideband while on the 2 step. my PLX would read the word "LEAN" which was leaner than 19:1 AFR. now combine this with a turbo constantly trying to increase pressure ratios and the mix gets even leaner

BUT

with a 300 you ahve the option to add fuel as well as pull timing which helps increase boost on the 2 step tremendously and it is more "safe" then the 200.

the 200 was great for an NA car but IMO the 300 2step is outstanding for a boosted car

spoonhatchblack

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by mrbsponge &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">


on a fuel cut 2 step you obviously remove the fuel for the interruption, well look at your wideband while on the 2 step. my PLX would read the word "LEAN" which was leaner than 19:1 AFR. now combine this with a turbo constantly trying to increase pressure ratios and the mix gets even leaner

BUT

with a 300 you ahve the option to add fuel as well as pull timing which helps increase boost on the 2 step tremendously and it is more "safe" then the 200.

the 200 was great for an NA car but IMO the 300 2step is outstanding for a boosted car</TD></TR></TABLE>
THanKs mrsponge that clears up quite a bit of my q's.
S300 it is

mrbsponge

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THanKs mrsponge that clears up quite a bit of my q's.
S300 it is </TD></TR></TABLE>

no problem bud

high_octane

how do u make the s300 shoot flames out the muffler?

GotRiceYo

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good question rick....i want to know myself... Then we can have flame shooting contest!

96 GSR-T

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by high_octane &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">how do u make the s300 shoot flames out the muffler?</TD></TR></TABLE>

I would imagine it would take high rpm combined with alot of retard and a bunch of fuel. I hope you are not trying to shoot flames just to be cool, its really not good for the turbo.

twkdCD595

flames are from the combination of the heavily retarded ignition timing and added fuel... which basically equals a high velocity mixture still combusting as it exits the motor, goes through the turbine side of your snail (which is what spools the turbo), and ultimately exits out the exhaust.


Modified by twkdCD595 at 2:52 PM 4/16/2008

96 GSR-T

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by twkdCD595 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">flames are from the combination of the heavily retarded ignition timing and added fuel... which basically equals a high velocity mixture still combusting as it exits the motor, goes through the turbine side of your snail (which is what spools the turbo), and ultimately exits out the exhaust.</TD></TR></TABLE>

Thanks for the lesson in how anti-lag works, as if I didnt already know.

twkdCD595

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Thanks for the lesson in how anti-lag works, as if I didnt already know.</TD></TR></TABLE>

I was responding to to OP actually captain knowledge. sorry you just happened to be the last person it put a re: to... sorry its been corrected.

and since you said you "imagine" thats what it takes... I figured I would add my post reiterating what you said to confirm that it is reality and not just the imagined.




Modified by twkdCD595 at 3:12 PM 4/16/2008

96 GSR-T

ei ei mate

GotRiceYo

i was also joking about the flame shooting contest... you know... haha....laugh laugh. jk

thanks for the knowledge anyway!